Good plan; didn’t work

That’s a good choice. The real winner was us, the fans. Barnburner of a battle!

 

One that got pointed out to me as good and bad planning McGirt vs Warren 1 was a very good plan McGirt vs Warren 2 with a plan to box Buddy was pain.

 

Jerry Quarry vs. Joe Frazier 1. The idea of jumping on Frazier right out of the gate was the right plan. Jerry just did not have the level of fire power needed to pull off the upset. Nice try, Jerry Quarry!

 

I agree , I watched that fight recently thinking that Holmes had given a good or at least a decent account from memory. I don't think I'd ever watched it since the time it took place.
In reality he hardly laid a glove on Tyson.
He stuck around and didn't get hit as much as some of Mike's opponents in that period , but he was well beaten and the idea that his arm getting caught in the rope stopped him delivering some master plan of a knockout is pure fantasy.

 

right. Lots of mileage on the odometer for a guy his age. The other thing w/ Pinky's righ hand is he was not very accurate with it. But when he did manage to land, it had a big effect. But missing right hands against Mike was going to be a tremendous issue.

That was not going to work against Tyson at that time. He had to have the big accuracy with his jab.Of course. Then, set up the straight right hand like an Arguello. But it goes back to his mobility and avoidence of what Mike was going to be landing on him. And not be right in front of him. The version that fought Witherspoon has a chance in this. That was a few fights earlier and how often can guys really go back in time anyway?

The version that fought Weaver does not win.. The version that fought Berbick---a big upset at the time---has an absolute minimal chance against a Tyson.

 

I was at the Foreman Frazier rematch. On tv it looked like Joe was doing ok. Live it did not. Some fights are like that. But live it
was a boa constrictor in the cage with a mouse. When the boa wants to eat--what does the mouse do? That was the feeling in the arena. And believe me all the fans were pulling for Joe. Nobody liked Foreman. But Joe was hanging in there but not lets say enacting a toll charge. And against an opponent like that----Joe needed to have Foreman paying a toll.

We could say a similar type fight and result was the Rooney--Arguello bout. Alexis was going to dial this guy in for his A#1 right hand.

 

In all fairness, it was his trainer's fault. He wanted Quarry to fight out of a crouch, when he would've had more success trying to replicate his performance against Patterson, but who knows.
I personally think that Quarry got ****ed over by not having the right trainer for him, he had great counter punching and combinations, but they wanted him to simply brawl instead.

 

Nathan Cleverly's plan against Kovalev was actually a good plan. Walk down and not give space to the puncher rather than staying outside and giving him room to get extension on his shots.

His problem was that Kovalev hit a lot harder than he thought and he wasn't able to last long enough to get close and start working. Ultimately Kovalev's eventual losses, this is how he lost....................

 

Might not quite count, but my understanding of Armstrong vs Zivic I, from what I've read, is that Hank thought it might be a good idea to preemptively attempt to out-dirty the notorious roughhouser Zivic.

This strategy found Zivic himself being very conservative on the 'alternative boxing' techniques in the early rounds, because he feared being disqualified - meanwhile Armstrong was having his way with the help of a little butting, the odd elbow, and some friendly choking. Zivic didn't complain and maintained his unusual posture of fair play...

...That was until some point mid-fight (might have been the seventh round), when Zivic decided it was time to retaliate, consequences be damned.

Having begun to return the favor with a few of his familiar rule-benders, he'd expected the referee to intervene. However, quite conversely the referee, perhaps having observed Armstrong's early willingness to go with the rough stuff and having not given him any warnings over that period, essentially determined: If this is the way you two want to fight then have at it.

For Armstrong, at that stage of his career, having gone to the well so often by then, an unleashed and hungry Zivic was too much.

 

Buster Mathis Jr did a good job of crowding and smothering Mike Tyson for a couple of rounds when they fought and arguably took both frames.

Then Tyson managed to take an angle and land an uppercut that ended the fight.

Still, I think the plan was sound. Had he attempted to box, he was getting bombed out far sooner.

 

Steve Collins vs. Sumbu Kalambay. Collins (or his team) correctly saw that Kalambay was slowing down and couldn't maintain the pace or stamina from his prime, so they figured that the younger, fresher Collins could come in throwing as much as possible and he'd simply outwork the old man. It made sense. It's not like Kalambay was much of a threat to knock him out when Collins missed. Unfortunately for the Irishman the gulf in skill was still too much for him to overcome, even that late in Kalambay's career.

 

Makes you think if it was Frazier with prime conditioning against a Zaire or Jimmy Young Foreman, perhaps he could have pulled through with much greater stamina.