Goosen Kills Pavlik/Williams AGAIN!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by booradley, Jul 19, 2009.


  1. Leprikawn7

    Leprikawn7 Active Member Full Member

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    If Williams ever wants to make big money, he needs to take down big names.........and that may mean he has to take lousy purses for awhile. But if he starts destroying people, he will be in the drivers seat eventually!
     
  2. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE'S OVER-RATED. Purses are decided on who brings more money to the fight. Even if Pavlik were an absolute hype-job, he'd still be entitled to the bigger draw if he brings more fans.

    :patsch No, obviously Pavlik doesn't have the base DLH does; the point is that LOSSES ARE IRRELEVANT to how much money you to the table.
     
  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with Boo, Goossen shouldn't demand 50/50. Question is HBO's budget for this fight. Can they offer enough for Williams to get $1,3M AND Pavlik get more... that's a budget of $3M minimum. They offered a lot less for the Sturm unification.
     
  4. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Broken record? Let me remind you; Pavlik KO7 Taylor, Pavlik UD12 Taylor, and Arthur's first, and likely only fight in the tourney is . . . . who?

    Bigger profile? The kind of payday AA wanted meant that he needed to become a bigger draw in the USA before the fight would be financially viable. That's pretty damn simple. And what did AA do after he became a bigger name? Ran the other way, and made a fight with Pavlik's left overs.

    Martinez is a Dibella and HBO idea, and I'm sure he will work much cheaper than AA would have, and that means the overall revenue does not have to be as big, therefore his drawing power is not as important.
     
  5. Landshark

    Landshark Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The biggest fight at MW WAS a Kelly vs Arthur fight, and you are trying to explain the monetary value and why it was not sufficient for both fighters. I could a flying **** who was making what, that was the fight to be made, arthur came to the states and made miranda look like an amateur, but I guess according to "BOB" he still needed to BUILD HIS PROFILE:lol::lol::lol:
     
  6. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Man, if they considered Mayorga, YES MAYORGA then you don't need more proof these guys publicly ducked Abraham. They say Abraham needs more fights in the US to be popular yet consider Sturm. It's not hard to see what Arum is doing here, really.
     
  7. Finn73

    Finn73 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OK, we have to live with the fact that AA moved up to SMW. We can stop to waste our breath regarding whether Pavlik ducked Abraham or vice versa. In the end it was the money that killed the fight.

    The only two fights in MW which make sense are

    1. Pavlik - Sturm (by far the most important fight) and
    2. Pavlik - Williams

    One of these two fights better be made. These are the only two fights that count.
     
  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Pavlik leftovers?, you're not hinting that he's participating in a tournament packed with Pavlik leftovers? :rofl

    Wake the **** up already, seriously. The guy moved up in a division literally PACKED with elite/dangerous fighters that have a great chance of beating him. Pavlik is standing in the corners showing how bitter/pathetic he is for not being "invited". You want to tell us all the guys at SMW are less dangerous than Pavlik?
     
  9. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    That's reason why Williams is ****ed up . . . **** goosen!
     
  10. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    The point is that AA isn't already surpassing Pavlik's achievements. It's not like Pavlik passed up his one chance of a decent victory. AA's first fight isn't harder than AA vs. KP.
     
  11. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    I'm glad Paul isn't letting the press and haters goad him into a division he isn't ready for. He is still a 147/154 fighter.
     
  12. elguapo

    elguapo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :huh Winky Wright maybe
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Williams needs to concentrate on the excellent Dzinderuk. However WIlliams recent competition and performances pisses on Pavliks from a great height. These guys are some of the best - Winky Wright, Dzinderuk, Phillips, Margarito from 147-160. Pavlik didnt even have the balls to face Winky Wright so he needs to sign or go back to pumping gas.
     
  14. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    i'm not a Pavlik fan but, 50-50 is ridiculous.... i think even 60-40 would be generous to Williams

    but on the flipside, Kelly is becoming more and more irrelevant these days, especially with Arthur Abraham gone, he needs to fight a Winky and Williams to get his buzz back
     
  15. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    I never said his first fight is more difficult, the point here is that he's in a division packed with dangerous opponents so if his first isn't more dangerous then other far more dangerous fights are available in the division. It's Pavlik who lacks anyone good enough or as good as Abraham.