Got to Admit that Orthodox Fighters Have Caused Pacquiao the Most Trouble

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  1. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was KOed by Right hander Singsurat. He was outboxed and lost to Erik Morales. He went life and death twice with JMM, and was busted up. Cotto busted his ear drum. Clottey swoll up his face pretty good. All of this doesn't bode well for a fight with Mayweather who is faster, smarted, and way more skilled than anyone on this list.

    Mayweather on the otherhand has made easy work of the southpaws he's faced in his career. He had Judah's eye swollen, and his nose bleeding and won easy decisions by scores of 116-112, 117-111, and 119-109. He dropped Chop Chop Corley twice and won by scores of 119-107, 118-108, 119-108. Easy work.

    Its not looking good for Pacquiao. Mayweather being a highly skilled orthodox fighter who easily defeats southpaws, spells a LOSS for Pacquiao.:deal
     
  2. horst

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    Sensational article.
     
  3. causality

    causality Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The other thread was also started by a ***** :-:)-:)-( Just FYI.
     
  4. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What do you mean also??:huh
     
  5. boxsensei

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  6. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather will whoop Pacquaio!!!:good
     
  7. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    Typical insecure *****.
     
  8. gatorbama

    gatorbama Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You almost got me fired from work...this **** was too funny
     
  9. IsaL

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    I don't understand the Margarito comparison. Are you stupid or ******ed?
     
  10. Vitor Belfort

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    I was too busy looking at your avatar:lol: Anyways singsurat and morales loss was a long time ago. Pac is a different fighter now than when he loss to those guys.

    Too many people underestimate pacman. He is a difficult opponent to figure out because of his style. He could hit you from all angle and he has great footwork.

    Remember what hatton says when he was watching him on 24/7..same move everytime but when the fight happen, he couldn't dodge those so called same move:D
     
  11. Outboxer

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    Er, what? What type of 'orthodox' do you mean? If you just mean people who lead with their left, isn't that the majority of the sport? If you mean an actual orthodox style, then Floyd is NOT an orthodox fighter. The shoulder-roll in particular is not conventional, and would normally be a bad idea to teach to fighters without the physical gifts necessary.

    As for your examples of Southpaws that Floyd has beaten, you somehow neglect to mention the fact that both Chop Chop and Judah stunned/hurt Floyd. Floyd himself admitted this in the post-fight conference for the Shane match. Judah even scored a technical KD that was never called. Floyd went on to beat both of those guys, but I wouldn't call it 'easy' -- also, considering that Floyd is a superb defensive fighter and barely ever takes flush punches, the fact that both Southpaws were able to briefly hurt or trouble him stands out VERY clearly.

    I would favour Floyd to UD Pac, but consider this -- if Pac hurts Floyd in the same way Chop Chop did, or if he stuns him like Judah did -- would Floyd be able to recover? Pac knows how to hurt people and jump all over them without smothering his own work (something Zab and Chop Chop couldn't do) so you'd have to wonder what would happen if he buzzed Floyd. The bottom line is that if lesser fighters have managed it, Pac obviously can too. Don't underestimate him.
     
  12. DoubleM

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    Show me any moment in any fight where Floyd looks hesitant after getting hit. I'll save you the time, there is none.

    The most underrated trait of Floyd Mayweather is not his physical skills but his mental ability. Everytime he gets hit and I've seen every single one of his fights since he turned pro he has shown a amazing ability to remain composed and come right back at the opponent. Castillo, Judah, Corley, Chavez, Hatton, DLH, Mosley, etc I've seen him a hard and CLEAN and it resulted in Floyd fighting back and bring out the dog in Floyd. There's nothing "pretty" about Floyd when he's in the ring he's an animal in there.

    BTW, in both JMM fights Pacquiao appeared frustrated at many points in the fight. Did you ever think that Pacman couldn't handle Floyd Mayweather clean accurate punching which Pacquiao couldn't handle in both JMM fights? Pacquiao face was busted up in all his recent fights vs slow opponents. What will happen with Mayweather hits him clean for 12 rounds? Will he fold? The opponents that had a jab, Cotto for example hit Pacquiao all night and had him resting every time. Mayweather has a multi-dimensional jab in a complex offense that Pacquiao has yet to see.

    What's the best weapon against a southpaw? A straight right hand. What's Mayweather best punch? A straight right hand.
     
  13. Knives7

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    I'm pretty sure you're ******ed, old man. Look at how Mayweather threw that 1-2 combination and how Margarito threw his 1-2 combination. :dead
     
  14. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great point because Mayweather and Marg are about the same in terms of speed and accuracy!:good
     
  15. Outboxer

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    You'll find no argument with me on this point -- Floyd certainly shows great composure and recovery in the ring. I'm not convinced that this AUTOMATICALLY means he would be able to weather a Pac storm, though. I dislike this notion of 'oh, this person would win, 100%'. Boxing isn't that simple. We can make educated guesses and talk about tactics, but the reality is that a single punch at the right time can change everything. I theorise that Pac is a better offensive animal than both Judah and Chop Chop, and thus I conclude that he could have more chances to 'finish the job' if he were to hurt Floyd as they did. That's all.

    JMM certainly did frustrate Pac a lot. I agree.

    Of course I've thought that. Did you miss the part where I said that I favour Floyd to beat Pac?

    You use Cotto's jab as an example -- Pac was indeed getting hit with it, but he was also countering it at times too. See this for evidence:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZrOPrP-3o[/ame]

    As for Floyd's jab, he really doesn't use it that much at all. Even then, I would actually say that it's not significantly better than Cotto's jab. Cotto has one of the best jabs around at the moment, and it looks to have more power than Floyd's. (Although it's not as fast.)

    As for the best weapon against a southpaw -- a right hand certainly works, and Floyd has a lovely one. But Pac also has a beautiful straight left that Floyd will have to deal with, along with a very well-timed counter right-hook. (You'll recall that Foyd was technically KD'd by Judah's counter right hook, and that Chop Chop hurt him with his own right hook.)

    Once again, I favour Floyd to win. I'm just trying to point out that it's far from a simple case.