Thread isn't meant to debate each other's opinions (though I'm sure it will devolve into such..) Loved watching him as an amatuer, admired his aura, hand-speed phenomenal. However, I think Ray Leonard was over-rated as a boxer, but woefully under rated as a puncher. 1. Didn't outbox Benitez, he had to bang out a win. 2. Got outboxed & beat up against Duran. just his 2nd defense. 3. Hearns was billed as the KO artist, yet he not only outboxed Ray, but used that jab to turn Ray's eye into a puffy looking gray swelling. Dundee told him "You are blowin it! This is where we separate the boys from the men" Does that sound like the words of a cornerman that thinks his guy can 'get back to boxing" to win? No! SO Sugar took the fight to Tommy & won by letting the dog out the dog house. 4. Dropped by Kevin Howard who had a 40% KO ratio. Again Ray had to throw power shots to win. 5. Lalonde was actually boxing well against Ray dropping him, who once again, had to turn it into a scrap. His power IMO was what did Donny in, not some sweet science clinic of hitting and not getting hit. One judge had Donny ahead at time of stoppage 5. Took 8 years to rematch Hearns. Even tried to go southpaw...Until Hearns kept catching him, he remained orthodox afterwards. 3rd round...Ray is dropped with an overhand right. There was no feinting, no setup, just a one shot to the dome. How often do great sweet science boxers get dropped & out boxed by punchers? Rd 5 or 6, Ray did have Tommy in trouble, but in rd 7, Hearns proved again how hittable Ray could be. "This is the most trouble I've ever seen Ray in"---Larry Merchant round 7. I agree! That round Ray didn't show any rolling with punches, slipping, weaving or throwback skills. He just took shot after shot proving his chin was True, not his skill level. Rd 11...my GOSH!!! Ray can take punches!! Hearns kept clocking him, drops him hard, but Ray rose again. Great boxers don't keep hitting on the break, but Ray did. The house booed the decision of a draw. Norris whoops him, Camacho embarrasses him. Ray was a fast handed fighter who usually would stand flatfooted to generate power. Refused to fight Hagler so he embarrases him by calling an event at an arena to tell Halgar & fans, they will never fight. Punkish. Then when he attends the Haglar-Mugabi fight...said he saw a "chink" in his Armour and now wants to come out of retirement...because he saw a 'chink'. Great boxers don't need to find a chink. They will make one if need be.