Grading Jack Johnsins championship reign

Tony Ross.
When he challenged Johnson ,he had beaten.
Mike Schreck 1908
Larry Temple 1909
Drawn with .
Jimmy Barry
Mike Schreck
Kod ,George Gardner and ,had Marvin Hart out on his feet when he inexplicably fouled him to lose by dsq.
Johnson broke Ross's nose in the first round ,cut his eye and mouth , and dropped him, for a 9 count, thereafter , he eased up, and allowed him to finish the 6 rounder.

The Schreck that Ross beat,had beaten Hart twice ,once by stoppage,given Tommy Burns his first loss , held him to a draw later,and kod Gardner.Good performance by Ross.
Ross was handled like child by Johnson.



The French Boxing Authorities tried to strip Johnson of his title ,because he was supposed to fight Langford in August 1913, and he did not do so, it had absoloutely NOTHING to do with the fight with Battling Jim. FACT



I have conclusively shown that neither Clark ,Dillon, or McCarty were credible challengers. I have also shown that O Brien was the same age as Johnson,and the reigning Light heavyweight Champion ,when they fought.I have also shown the good results Jim Johnson had , when he fought Johnson . I have shown that Gunboat Smith in his own words did not TKO Johnson,and his quoted statement can be seen in a book I mentioned.

In fact I disproved all your pathetic lies once again.

You do not just twist facts ,you outright lie, in your manic obsession to defame Jack Johnson.
What a piece of work you are.atsch

ps.You might do, Unforgiven the courtesy of `writing his name properly. " Ungorgiven " ????
Your hatred gets you too excited, you need to calm down. :verysad
" Need I go I" What does that mean exactly? :huh

I have a very good life thanks, plenty of money, and time to spend it, plenty of friends ,and a close family, I'm enjoying my life, with a loving partner. Thanks for the concern :good

In return ,here's a pin up for you,Mendacity.

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Considering the length it's behind sullivan, jeffries, louis, rocky, ali. I'd say it's on par with the rein of dempsey, holmes and lewis.

 

He beat Langford at when Langford was only 156 pounds, and according to Clay just 20 years old! Nothing to brag about here!

He beat Jeanette when Jeanette was a novice, sometimes with a losing recored. Nothing to brag about here.

And he beat Sam MCvey when McVey was a teenager in two matches and 20 in the other. Yep.

Despite all the matches, the best he could do was win via KO once? And let's not forget he foulded out like a coward with multiple low blows vs. Jeanette after a rough round one.

Impressive stuff? NOT. Yet you leave these parts out.

 

Correct. I posted offers ranging from 30k to 100k for fights with Jeanette, Langford, and McVey. Johnson skirted them. Joe Jeanette put it best when he said, " When Jack became champion he forgot his old friends and drew the color line against his own people "

 

Such is the way heavyweight champions of the era were managed. Most of these guys came from nothing and their objective wasn't to fight for history, but to be managed for the most money possible once they were in a position to really capitalize off the sport. Winning the heavyweight championship was a ticket to money and fame regardless of who the defenses were against (with reasonable exception), and the chance to still make good money (in some cases, the easier defenses also paid more) in exchange for a safer payday was generally worth it. Anybody who wound up with the title generally went through hell to get there and I don't blame them for it.

Doing so gave the champ more time to cash in on being "the champ" in other ways than actually fighting the toughest competition every defense would. Being viewed as a massive celebrity has its perks, and most guys weren't in a rush to give that up. Most still aren't.

That's part of what makes Gene Tunney's decision to retire when he did positively unique among heavyweight champions. He easily could've fought once a year or taken two years off, get a couple defenses in, and increased his celebrity and pocketbook for it. Not that he was that intent on the former or had much need for the latter...

 

I left them out because I assumed everyone knew them, but just in case someone has missed you posting them 3 or 4 times a week , I will address them

Why do you put NOT after statements? It doesn't make sense.

I said no doubt the trio of Mcvey,Jeannette ,Langford improved after their fights with Johnson. I also said ,no doubt he improved too.
That seems reasonable to me.
Langford was 156lbs with 50 fights under his belt,Johnson was 185lbs with considerably less experience .
21lbs difference, a weight discrepancy a lot less than that enjoyed by Jim Jeffries in his major fights.
Novice Jeannette was good enough to ko 47 fight Langford.
Johnson was still beating Jeannette, when the latter had 38 fights under his belt.
Johnson outclassed McVey 3 times,in the last when McVey was 20 ,Johnson kod him in the last round, after totally dominating the fight.
McVey was stopped 5 times in 84 fights.But only kod 3 times.

Once by Jeannette in their epic Paris battle, once by Langford and, once by Johnson, when he had to be told by his second what had happened.
The others were retirements claiming fouls.

Langford fought Jeannette many times more than Johnson ,yet only stopped him once and was himself stopped by Joe.
The fact that inferior fighters went rounds with Johnson proves nothing he rarely went for the ko , being content to win without taking risks.

Reports of Johnson being dsq'd against Jeannette vary , no definitive answer to that fight has been unearthed ,of course you fasten on the one that suits your phobia,,it is to be expected.
Johnson a coward?
I believe all of his detractors ,except you of course,
would have to admit the man had serious balls,if there was any doubt I think the Willard fight proved it.

It is ironic for you to call anyone a coward,don't you think?
It's ironic that you keep mentioning ducking someone too ,come to think of it.