Graham: "If I Was In Malignaggi's Corner I Would Be Very Worried"

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  1. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Collazo didn't really deserve the W against Hatton - he could have taken it out of the judges hands had he not been so lazy in the 11th, when he allowed Hatton to steal a round he had no right to win.

    Saying that Hatton won't stop Paulie because Cotto didn't is rubbish. Paulie is much more hittable now than he was then, and Cotto at 140 isn't the same fighter as Hatton, at all.

    Late TKO, as I have already said.
     
  2. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Looking forward to the fight, 'cos it's such a nice mix of styles.
     
  3. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But that fighter nowhere near as good as Mayweather would have stopped ricky even sooner. Don't get me wrong, I think Hatton is a very good fighter, and I even had him up (1point) against Collazo, but even after Cotto's recent disastrous loss, he would still be the favorite going in against Hatton himself. A BIG favorite I may add.
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    The matter of favouritism in a Hatton vs Cotto battle would depend (for me) on the weight at which the fight was contested.

    Cotto's tactics would be intriguing, as well.
     
  5. TFFP

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    Cotto would have beaten Hatton at any weight previous to stepping up. Its too much to go back down now.
     
  6. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto obviously cannot make jrww. So right now the weight would have to be welter. The better chance I give Hatton of beating Cotto at jr welter is more due to Cotto being green at that stage and not at his peak yet while Hatton was. However, for me, if you put them both at their best I see Cotto brutalizing Hatton in the middle rounds.
     
  7. Beeston Brawler

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    I think Hatton is underrated at welter - his huggers use it as an excuse for his loss to Mayweather, rather than admitting Floyd was the better fighter on the night (and is the better fighter full stop.

    Look at the facts - when he fought Collazo his conditioner admitted that they were down to 152 seven weeks out from the fight, as they were preparing for Lazcano. Knowing Hatton's fondness for a doner pizza and the odd sherbet, Kayes could do nothing to ensure that Hatton came in to the ring in top condition - which he clearly wasn't. The only six pack on display was the Guiness that Collazo handed to him at the pre-fight presser.

    Against Mayweather he came in at 145, and was in top condition. His tactics for the first five rounds were decent, however from then on Floyd adjusted and Hatton was destroyed.

    Cotto doesn't hit as hard as what many people think - Hatton has a better chin than either Judah or Gomez, whom Cotto KO'd recently, and whilst Hatton in 2005 was experienced, he was probably greener than Cotto at the top level.

    At 147 Cotto would most likely be too strong and would win, TKO8ish, but at 140 Hatton is able to use his physical advantage - which Cotto doesn't like (Torres, Margarito) and would win in similar fashion.

    My opinion only - feel free to disagree.
     
  8. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well we can definitely agree to disagree with respect. I wouldn't understand why Hatton was greener than Cotto at 140lbs since he was at his physical peak and had close to 40 pro fights. I think Cotto does hit hard, but many did talk about him as though he was a Cintron kind of puncher but with better skills. But he does hit hard, something Shane said so himslef. I've actually never underrated Hatton at welter either, I just think Cotto beats him. And again at 140 I do give Hatton a much better chance but it's not because of the physical strenght, it's because at the stage they were in when they were both at 140.
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    He had had close to 40 fights and was at his physical peak, but how many of those opponents were any good?

    If you look at Cotto's resume say mid-05 and Hatton's - the percentage of good opponents (rather than padded record opponents) would be in favour of Cotto.

    I never said YOU had underrated Hatton at welter, but many people have.
     
  10. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If I were a boxer and I had 15 fights with 15 crappy opponents it only means that my competition didn't help me become a better fighter, however If I'm 27 years old and a world champion with 17 fights I'm probably at my peak and definitely in my prime unless I'm a very rare phenomenon like B-Hop.
    Hey, did I accuse you of telling me I underrated Hatton at welter? of course not, you brought it up and I said my opinion. It's not my fault Hatton didn't have many significant opponents when he was at his peak or close to it. That doesn't change the fact that Hatton was fully developed while Cotto was still being molded.
     
  11. Beeston Brawler

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    No - you do make interesting points however.

    Shame that he was Warren's cash cow, he may have lost a couple more fights but he may have been much greater.
     
  12. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That I have an easier time agreeing with.
     
  13. saturday_kid

    saturday_kid Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How many title winning boxers have you trained?

    Just a question.
     
  14. Uppercut83

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    Stop being a Hatton nuthugger, Cotto would of smashed Hatton up at 140 147 or 300lbs :rofl
     
  15. Beeston Brawler

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    I would say that of all Hatton's fans on ESB, I am one of the more objective ones. One of the few who said that he should have fought Witter!