Grappling V Boxing happened at UFC 1!!!!

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by rainmaker, Aug 29, 2010.


  1. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    You just said in one sentence that the boxer has a puncher's chance, yet in the next said it doesn't make a difference what calibre of boxer it is? How could you possibly not realize how ****ing stupid that is?
     
  2. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Grappling V Boxing also happened in 1909 paris france
    Sam Mcvey
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    took on then pupil of Mitsuyo Maeda
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    , Tano Matsuda
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    Mcvey knocked him out in 9 seconds of the 1st round. mixed style rules.

    other boxers followed to both win and lose. to mcveys advantage, he out sized Matsuda.
     
  3. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly but it generated a lot of interest because people WERE thinking it was new. The UFC hype machine was running overtime and it worked. It brought boxing fans in to the MMA world, if only for a night. Gotta give it to them, Dana white knows how to sell a fight. I mean they billed it as the first boxing v mma event in the UFC. Ok so the UFC wasn't MMA back then, as in fighters having mixed diciplines but was style v style and the boxer fought the grappler at UFC 1, the very first event, and so the Toney V COuture fight was gonna be a replica of this fight.

    I mean people brought the hype, fair enough, a lot of younger audiences, or boxing fans, don't know the history of the sport, so may not have known about Pro boxers competing in cage fights.

    But the UFC did well, to not mention this event, until Dana white AFTER the event, saying that the boxing v grappling argument was settled back in 1993. 1993 was when UFC 1 took place, go figure.

    In other words, they tried their best to hype this as the first time an event that took place in MMA with a pro boxer, and the fight public bought in to it.
     
  4. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes a punchers chance is a pretty ****in slim chance. Anyone from a combat sport background has a punchers chance. That's not saying much now is it?
     
  5. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    Who has more of a puncher's chance as a heavyweight boxer? Chris Byrd or Mike Tyson? Are you really still trying to convince yourself your thread holds any water? Do I need to mention Mercer/ Silvia? If Mercer wasn't a hard puncher, would that have the same outcome?
     
  6. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Newsflash, Silvia is NOT a grappler, he's a striker, and a pretty **** one at that. If you pair a decent striker with silvia he get's beat up. His only saving grace is that he's tall, but he's slow as ****, and does the basics BADLY.

    Talking about boxer's against guys who grapple. You still aren't getting it. It's not about the BOXER, it's about the STYLE! boxing alone does not match up to a guy who can utilize literally every kind of of move other than just throwing hands. Don't come in with that Mercer ****. Firstly as i said they got a punchers chance, Mercer took it and got the KO. Secondly, Silvia is no grappler, he would not be initiating take downs.
     
  7. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    But wait, it shouldn't matter, right? Any boxer vs ANY MMA fighter, right? See how ****ing stupid that is?
     
  8. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who said MMA fighter and notice I didn't toe the dumb UFC line of boxing V MMA. Take it for what it was, boxing v Grappling, as those 2 were both Toney and Couture's lead styles. The UFC could have paired Toney with a striker, then things could have been different. But they knew that a grappler beats the boxer, END OF! So they made an example of him. Not of boxing. Boxing as an art is a complete art, if its used against other boxers. It's incomplete and just one componant of MMA.

    It's common sense that you take a good striker, against a not to good striker, or a more extreme case, a great boxer, against a tomato can (we see that in boxing all the time) and you know what happens. Of course the more skilled striker is going to have a field day. Put him in with a grappler and his strengths are neutralized, unless he stops being arrogant and ignorant enough to believe that pure boxing beats a solid grappler.

    The boxer would need to become a more rounded fighter, and that takes time. Both are different sports, not easy to make the adjustment.