Great article about the cherrypicker.

BITCH ASS · May 12, 2009

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Not getting a response yet could mean you won the bet.
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Doesn't that actually hurt your case if nobody knows who the hell Floyd's opponents were?

Bazooka · May 12, 2009

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Doesn't that actually hurt your case if nobody knows who the hell Floyd's opponents were?
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if you dont know these fighters find another forum.

Castillo

Corrales

Hernandez

De La Hoya

Chavez

Gatti

Judah

Hatton

BITCH ASS · May 12, 2009

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if you dont know these fighters find another forum.

Castillo

Corrales

Hernandez

De La Hoya

Chavez

Gatti

Judah

Hatton
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Who the **** is De La Hoya?

bladerunner · May 12, 2009

Axe Man said: ↑

Who the **** is De La Hoya?
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:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Chibuku · May 12, 2009

bladerunner said: ↑

Floyd Mayweather: He IS A Great Manager

By Frank Lotierzo

Well he did it, that's right Floyd "I Won't Fight In My Division" Mayweather Jr. provided his own version of "Shock and Awe" before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. In a press-conference the afternoon of the fight, Mayweather Jr. 39-0 (25 KOs) announced that he's coming out of retirement and will be fighting Juan Manuel Marquez 50-4-1 (37 KOs) who fought as a featherweight until March of 2008, this coming July.

If there is one boxing fan alive who ever believed that Mayweather was really retired for good, they better go back to watching reruns on the ScFi channel. The truth is Floyd Mayweather was never retired, nor did he ever let himself get out of shape. Incidentally, the second part of that is commendable. The first part is a joke. All Floyd has been doing is waiting around for the guys in his "real" division to either get old (Shane Mosley) lose (Miguel Cotto), get beat up (Antonio Margarito) outgrow the division (Paul Williams) and fall off the radar (Kermit Cintron).

How long are boxing fans going to be made a fool of by this manager/fighter? I have no problem with a fighter trying to make as much money with the least risk possible, to a degree. Joe Frazier has the best saying I've ever heard regarding the boxing business. It goes, "Boxing is the only sport where you get your brains shook, your money took, and your name in the undertakers book." Having said that, great fighters, I mean all-time great fighters, something I'm not convinced Floyd Mayweather Jr. is, seek out fights with other great fighters their size.

You'd think Mayweather would see that to a degree Roy Jones, who was a greater and more skilled fighter than him, suffers today from the perception of not always seeking fights that offered the biggest challenge. To this day Roy continues to fight to keep fans from forgetting who he was. Yeah, in a way we "Musta Forgot." This is what happens when you fight too many Clinton Woods.

I'm not saying Mayweather can't beat Mosley, Cotto or Margarito. However, I can't say that he can either. I also know how the game works and what he's doing. This is fighting just to make the most money with the least risk so he can retire undefeated. He can't say that, but I can. Instead he tells us how great he is and sadly more than a few fans buy his BS.

Great? Maybe. I think outstanding is more the case. It's a joke and insult saying that he's in the same class as Sugar Ray Robinson, and he has to pay his way into the gym just to watch Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns wrap their hands. Look at the list of who's who that they fought compared to Mayweather.

Floyd actually has had more name fighters to fight than Roy Jones did during his prime. Does it take much imagination to wonder what Mayweather's record would be if he fought Shane Mosley's resume? Comparing quality of opposition between Mosley and Mayweather is like comparing hand speed between Butterbean and Larry Holmes.

In reality, Floyd Mayweather Jr. isn't even undefeated, at least not in the ring. He lost the first meeting with Jose Luis Castillo 115-113. Even HBO house judge Harold Lederman scored the fight 7-5 in rounds for Castillo. Yep, Mayweather's network and their own judge had the fight 5-5 in rounds after 10. Lederman then correctly scored the 11th and 12th for Castillo, sealing the fight for his opponent. Mayweather clearly won the rematch, but the point is boxing fans have seen Mayweather bettered in the ring at least once.

I don't want to hear this baloney about Mayweather not being a true welterweight. That's just another excuse to keep Floyd from tangling with the guys in his division. Yeah, he's not a welterweight, but Marquez has to come up to 144 so Floyd has another opponent with a big name to pad his record. Didn't Mosley turn pro at 135, just five pounds heavier than Mayweather was when he turned pro? As far as Mayweather being seen as some kind of a warrior by agreeing to fight Marquez, if it comes off, and then Pacquiao, I just don't see it.

I have no doubt that boxing fans will flock to Mayweather and want to attack those that expose him for who he really is. Be my guest, let him rip you off and then give you a lousy one-sided fight versus a 36 year old opponent. Does it mean anything that when he beats Marquez he's beating a guy much smaller than him, who Pacquiao had down three times in the first round back in 2004. Does it say anything that he didn't even make Oscar De La Hoya look bad and actually lost rounds to him, and then Pacquiao dominated Oscar and retired him? Oh, and Shane Mosley beat Oscar more convincingly in 2000 than Mayweather did in 2007. Yet somehow everybody goes crazy over Mayweather. Can boxing fans be that starved to see a great fighter?

I'm not saying Floyd Mayweather Jr. doesn't posses a phenomenal skill set, because he does. In the ring he's a much smarter fighter than he gets credit for. He's terrific fundamentally and never beats himself. More than that, he's mentally tougher in the ring than he is credited for being and is great at making his opponent fight to their weakness. That said, he's not creative offensively nor does he exhibit a varied attack. His defense is outstanding, but that's more a case of him knowing when to punch and break off the exchanges. The problem is, I want to see him in there with another outstanding/great fighter his size who isn't old or on a steep decline.

At the press conference announcing his return Mayweather said, "I am not wasting any time with a tune-up fight. I'm going straight to the top. Marquez called me out immediately after his victory over Juan Diaz in February and now he gets his wish. What he is going to find out is that you should be careful what you wish for." Yeah Floyd, you're going to the top alright. The top of the lightweight division versus a fighter who is 2-0 as a lightweight. The only problem with that is you're a welterweight.

I guess he never heard Mosley, Cotto, Margarito or Williams call him out. I know I sure have. Floyd Mayweather Jr. in my opinion is very transparent in the con he's pulling off. Quite successfully I might add. Oh, and if anyone out there believes that the 37-year-old Mosley declined to fight Mayweather previously or fears him in any way, next you'll try and convince me New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is a choker too. Although, I do expect Mayweather to fight Mosley eventually, Shanes just not old enough yet.

One more time, I'd have no problem giving Floyd Mayweather Jr. his props if he earned them the way past great fighters have, but he hasn't. He's definitely a great manager and no one can dispute that. Mayweather Jr. may be great, he just won't let us find out! And if he thinks beating Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao will change that, I say only in his mind. As great as they are, they are nowhere near as tough and dangerous to Mayweather as Mosley, Cotto and Margarito.

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hater

JM22 · May 12, 2009

boxeo#1 said: ↑

Great article. The only thing I disagree with is the very last sentence. Floyd would school Margo 120-108 imo.
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To bad he never had the balls to do it.:verysad

Pimp C · May 12, 2009

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How anyone can argue about this article is beyond me, he did praise Floyd and gave him the credit of having great abilities. I love all Floyd fans who says hes not really a WW then WTF dont ask JMM to move up, fight at 140, youre not a WW then what are you. Cotto is a small WW but hes a WW.
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I argue it because he says PBF isn't undefeated if he can't admit PBF is undefeated then the guy has no credibility and has an agenda.:deal It's easy to see the guy doesn't like PBF that's why I can't take it serious. He let his bias of PBF get in the way of his argument.

Pimp C · May 12, 2009

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I did that on the second or third page but it seems that all the floyd haters have ignored it. Which they(you) always do to reason.

Its all opinion, many felt that Floyd handpicked Oscar but only after he won, but for Pac its was a great fight, that is fighting a man at a weight that he was having a hard time making 10 years ago.

In the end for Floyd it will always be the one that he didnt fight, I think that the hatton fight proves my point...Before the fight it was all the talk on this broad that Floyd ran from hatton, but once he fought him people(YOU) only cried about the weight. Making it sound like Hatton was a god at 140 but a bum at 147.

Counting that article isnt needed, like I said its opinion, you have your I have mine and that cat that wrote it has his. Truth be told some guys forget alot of things that dont fit thier story. Things like Floyd asking Arum to make the fight with Cotto, or Margo being offered the date after Judah lost, or Floyd calling out Mosley. Those things seem to be forgotten, and some keep making the claims that floyd is running from these guys when that isnt the truth.

Being objective seems to be something that many here cant do. Instead of the I hate the guy so every thing I read or see that is bad is true and everything that is good Ill just ignore runs rampant here. I love the way that Pac's corner are putting up road blocks for a possible fight with Floyd and everyone is ignoring them, but once the fight dont happen it will be Floyd that is ducking Pac. I recall something that Pea said when he was on top of boxing...."Everyone wants to say my name after they win a fight, but once it comes time to sign thiers they forget how to spell it."
Meaning they wanted fans to think that they wanted to fight Pea when they really didnt..The same could be said about Jones, and floyd.

When Jones started to step it up latter in his career people said oh know he has balls, that wasnt the case, it was a case of him slowing enough that fighters actaully wanted to fight him where as they really didnt before, same with Hopkins.

I got off abit and this is longer then normal for me...
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Best post of the thread.:good

Pimp C · May 12, 2009

Bazooka_X3 said: ↑

Not exactly I mean think about it Floyds last two were Mannys last two and Mannys last two basicly stamped his place right now.
Cherry picking is part of the sport, if you do plan on taking this far, you have to be smart about who you fight and most importantly when you take those fights.
Not every fighter can be an Evander Holyfield not everybody is gifted like that, However fighting Marquez does not mean he is cherry picking this is part of Floyds come back and he is comming back against a dangerous opponent of which many feel that Marquez beat Manny twice.
Now if Floyd were to continue to Cherry pick Marquez wouldnt be fighting him, we would have Vivian Harris or Carlos Maussa or someone like that.
I dont get the point of this thread, I dont understand why the sudden attack on Floyd, But I can bet the reason this thread is out there is because Floyd has come back and is obviously gunning for Manny Pacquiao, so its best to start talking **** about Floyd now, becuase Pacquiaos days are numbered correct?
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Shane · May 12, 2009

bladerunner said: ↑

Floyd Mayweather: He IS A Great Manager

By Frank Lotierzo

Well he did it, that's right Floyd "I Won't Fight In My Division" Mayweather Jr. provided his own version of "Shock and Awe" before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. In a press-conference the afternoon of the fight, Mayweather Jr. 39-0 (25 KOs) announced that he's coming out of retirement and will be fighting Juan Manuel Marquez 50-4-1 (37 KOs) who fought as a featherweight until March of 2008, this coming July.

If there is one boxing fan alive who ever believed that Mayweather was really retired for good, they better go back to watching reruns on the ScFi channel. The truth is Floyd Mayweather was never retired, nor did he ever let himself get out of shape. Incidentally, the second part of that is commendable. The first part is a joke. All Floyd has been doing is waiting around for the guys in his "real" division to either get old (Shane Mosley) lose (Miguel Cotto), get beat up (Antonio Margarito) outgrow the division (Paul Williams) and fall off the radar (Kermit Cintron).

How long are boxing fans going to be made a fool of by this manager/fighter? I have no problem with a fighter trying to make as much money with the least risk possible, to a degree. Joe Frazier has the best saying I've ever heard regarding the boxing business. It goes, "Boxing is the only sport where you get your brains shook, your money took, and your name in the undertakers book." Having said that, great fighters, I mean all-time great fighters, something I'm not convinced Floyd Mayweather Jr. is, seek out fights with other great fighters their size.

You'd think Mayweather would see that to a degree Roy Jones, who was a greater and more skilled fighter than him, suffers today from the perception of not always seeking fights that offered the biggest challenge. To this day Roy continues to fight to keep fans from forgetting who he was. Yeah, in a way we "Musta Forgot." This is what happens when you fight too many Clinton Woods.

I'm not saying Mayweather can't beat Mosley, Cotto or Margarito. However, I can't say that he can either. I also know how the game works and what he's doing. This is fighting just to make the most money with the least risk so he can retire undefeated. He can't say that, but I can. Instead he tells us how great he is and sadly more than a few fans buy his BS.

Great? Maybe. I think outstanding is more the case. It's a joke and insult saying that he's in the same class as Sugar Ray Robinson, and he has to pay his way into the gym just to watch Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns wrap their hands. Look at the list of who's who that they fought compared to Mayweather.

Floyd actually has had more name fighters to fight than Roy Jones did during his prime. Does it take much imagination to wonder what Mayweather's record would be if he fought Shane Mosley's resume? Comparing quality of opposition between Mosley and Mayweather is like comparing hand speed between Butterbean and Larry Holmes.

In reality, Floyd Mayweather Jr. isn't even undefeated, at least not in the ring. He lost the first meeting with Jose Luis Castillo 115-113. Even HBO house judge Harold Lederman scored the fight 7-5 in rounds for Castillo. Yep, Mayweather's network and their own judge had the fight 5-5 in rounds after 10. Lederman then correctly scored the 11th and 12th for Castillo, sealing the fight for his opponent. Mayweather clearly won the rematch, but the point is boxing fans have seen Mayweather bettered in the ring at least once.

I don't want to hear this baloney about Mayweather not being a true welterweight. That's just another excuse to keep Floyd from tangling with the guys in his division. Yeah, he's not a welterweight, but Marquez has to come up to 144 so Floyd has another opponent with a big name to pad his record. Didn't Mosley turn pro at 135, just five pounds heavier than Mayweather was when he turned pro? As far as Mayweather being seen as some kind of a warrior by agreeing to fight Marquez, if it comes off, and then Pacquiao, I just don't see it.

I have no doubt that boxing fans will flock to Mayweather and want to attack those that expose him for who he really is. Be my guest, let him rip you off and then give you a lousy one-sided fight versus a 36 year old opponent. Does it mean anything that when he beats Marquez he's beating a guy much smaller than him, who Pacquiao had down three times in the first round back in 2004. Does it say anything that he didn't even make Oscar De La Hoya look bad and actually lost rounds to him, and then Pacquiao dominated Oscar and retired him? Oh, and Shane Mosley beat Oscar more convincingly in 2000 than Mayweather did in 2007. Yet somehow everybody goes crazy over Mayweather. Can boxing fans be that starved to see a great fighter?

I'm not saying Floyd Mayweather Jr. doesn't posses a phenomenal skill set, because he does. In the ring he's a much smarter fighter than he gets credit for. He's terrific fundamentally and never beats himself. More than that, he's mentally tougher in the ring than he is credited for being and is great at making his opponent fight to their weakness. That said, he's not creative offensively nor does he exhibit a varied attack. His defense is outstanding, but that's more a case of him knowing when to punch and break off the exchanges. The problem is, I want to see him in there with another outstanding/great fighter his size who isn't old or on a steep decline.

At the press conference announcing his return Mayweather said, "I am not wasting any time with a tune-up fight. I'm going straight to the top. Marquez called me out immediately after his victory over Juan Diaz in February and now he gets his wish. What he is going to find out is that you should be careful what you wish for." Yeah Floyd, you're going to the top alright. The top of the lightweight division versus a fighter who is 2-0 as a lightweight. The only problem with that is you're a welterweight.

I guess he never heard Mosley, Cotto, Margarito or Williams call him out. I know I sure have. Floyd Mayweather Jr. in my opinion is very transparent in the con he's pulling off. Quite successfully I might add. Oh, and if anyone out there believes that the 37-year-old Mosley declined to fight Mayweather previously or fears him in any way, next you'll try and convince me New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is a choker too. Although, I do expect Mayweather to fight Mosley eventually, Shanes just not old enough yet.

One more time, I'd have no problem giving Floyd Mayweather Jr. his props if he earned them the way past great fighters have, but he hasn't. He's definitely a great manager and no one can dispute that. Mayweather Jr. may be great, he just won't let us find out! And if he thinks beating Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao will change that, I say only in his mind. As great as they are, they are nowhere near as tough and dangerous to Mayweather as Mosley, Cotto and Margarito.

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A lot of valid points in this thread. Frank is the man.

bladerunner · May 12, 2009

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A lot of valid points in this thread. Frank is the man.
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The guy tells it like it is,great article exposing the cherrypicker.

Powerman55 · May 12, 2009

reed_man02 said: ↑

How can he criticize Floyd for not wanting to fight Mosely when he already offered to fight Mosely and Mosely declined. The author sounds like a hater. He isn't impressed with Mayweather wanting to fight pac? A lot of people think pac is the favorite.
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It's never that simple in boxing. Mayweather offered to fight Mosely when he knew Mosely was otherwise engaged (he was going on holiday with his family - even boxers have families and go on holiday!).

Mosely's called out Mayweather lots and lots of times.

Powerman55 · May 12, 2009

Axe Man said: ↑

Who the **** is De La Hoya?
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Floyd has fought only 1 Locked HALL OF FAMER - Oscar De La Hoya. Manny Pac best him in a much more impressive way (destroyed him!)

PAC has fought 4 Locked Hall of Famers:
Marco Antonio Barrera (x2)
Juan Manuel Marquez (x2)
Erik Morales (x3)
Oscar De La Hoya

Floyd has only 1 piddling fight against a future HOF and he was taken to a split decision.

Pacquaio has 8 FIGHTS AGAINST HALL OF FAMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NUFF SAID. I rest my case.

zagor tenay · May 12, 2009

Perhaps the greatest piece of article written about Floyd .
Hatton and DLH are the biggest names on his resume and you saw the difference when Pacman annihilated both of them.

Pimp C · May 12, 2009

Powerman55 said: ↑

Floyd has fought only 1 Locked HALL OF FAMER - Oscar De La Hoya. Manny Pac best him in a much more impressive way (destroyed him!)

PAC has fought 4 Locked Hall of Famers:
Marco Antonio Barrera (x2)
Juan Manuel Marquez (x2)
Erik Morales (x3)
Oscar De La Hoya

Floyd has only 1 piddling fight against a future HOF and he was taken to a split decision.

Pacquaio has 8 FIGHTS AGAINST HALL OF FAMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NUFF SAID. I rest my case.
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