Great Boxers But Never Became World Champions

and 13 of which took place in his first 4 Novice Years, starting out as a 15 year old Pro, and a few of them he later reversed.

You do realise that Thousands of BoxRec Records are grossly INCOMPLETE, you realise don't you... Everybody Else Does.

the man came into Contention (Scottish) in 1937, in mid 37 he came into his own and never looked back from there.

6 years Undefeated in 42 battles, No.1 UK Contender from 1939 - 48, first at MW then in 1944/45 - 48 at L-HW.

85 Fights with 12 losses, 5 of which, as Already Stated, against HW's
and 6 REPORTED Robberies as well, again, as already stated, the Contention Position Passed Over 1942 and Dropped in 1944... that is pretty darn impressive.

ALL these REPORTS Now PUBLICLY Available and you try to highlight his Young Teen Novices losses, a few against some noted fighters, whose records are INCOMPLETE.

NO, Sorry man, I've come up against a couple of people like this before, you might even be one of them for all I know... the Point is NO More assaults on me or the non-existent Reports...

Because they ARE There Now for ALL to see, and Bless Almighty God for that.

 

He was never world class and never world ranked and never beat a ranked fighter.
You stress his novice years but he was being matched with novices and losing to them!
It isnt like he was being thrown to the wolves,into the deep end,he was being matched with fellow green fighters most of whom had losing records or /and less fights than himself !
I haven't assaulted you in the slightest,I just disagree with you calling him a great fighter when he obviously wasn't! You could justifiably say Roderick or McAvoy were great ,if they were not, they were at least very good ,and competitive with world class fighters,sometimes beating them but Gilroy never beat a world class fighter,so sorry your case isn't even remotely convincing.

 

I never stressed his novice years at all, except to say losses during those years, as you 'tried' to use those losses as a marginalization and post INCOMPLETE Records as if they were all nobodies, (some of them weren't), but the fact is Early Losses 'usually' aren't counted against young fighters... but again you know that too and so does everybody else.

McAvoy and Roderick were World Classed for Years, in fact in 1939 McAvoy was Ranked in the Top 10 at both MW and L-HW...

Gilroy's Career begins in 1937, just like ALL Fighters - When He/THEY Come into their own...

as do ALL the Non Existent REPORTS, Ratings, Robberies and Commentaries that PROVE Boxers Careers and Career Facts.

Let the Reports Correct you

and more importantly the Lord God Almighty for the Grace to 'acknowledge' them, learn from them and recognise that Gilroy was one of those fighters who sadly, got Frozen Out!

 

You say his career begins in 37, 3 years after he turned pro.
In 37 he had 16 fights and won 9 .One of his victims was 0-3-0, one 0-1-0,another 7-13-3 and two were debutees.
In 37 in his 37th fight he was ko'd by7-2-0 Dan Gillespie.
In 37 He lost to 2-5-1 Mick Hasson who had won just 1 of his last 9 fights,Gilroy had 30 fights.
In37 with 34 fights on his record he was ko'd by 8 fightTommy Smith.
Have your crusade on your own Friend, it won't sell here. Nothing personal.

 

it never needed a sell, it was well received and applauded for 15 years until a couple of English Nationalistic sensitive boys couldn't ever believe Rule Britannia could be brought to task and they wouldn't allow their England sensitive pride to be bruised.

In fact, I would like to Thank all the Support, Encouragement and Acknowledgement that the many from all these Boxing sites gave me over the years, THANK YOU!

they never tried to Dismiss ACTUAL DOCUMENTATION!

thanks for your impute, shame that, that same Documentation isn't in your vocabulary. God Bless you all the same.

 

Friend if you can provide proof that Gilroy deserved wins over those I mentioned it would be a start,but,until then, I see he was getting beat by the ordinary level domestic fighters I named that were not even in contention for area titles.
What has national pride to do with Gilroy's win/loss record?
Is it your contention that there was a conspiracy against Gilroy by nationalistic English to keep him away from national titles?
If it is can you provide a plausible reason why that would be the case?
You have mentioned , "Actual Documentation several times.
Will you now show us documented proof that Gilroy was side stepped,shafted, robbed?
If you have it ,I suggest you make a thread about it , I for one would like to read it and the vast majority here are always happy to be informed/educated on fighters. I think we are in danger of taking this thread on a different direction and neither of us wants that.Keep Well!

 

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