Great boxers of yesteryear who would do f-all in the current era

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  1. Super Hans

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    I know a lot of people are gonna point out undersized Heavyweights but they could always campaign at Cruiserweight.

    I will go with Sandy Saddler because he'd get DQ'd all the time.
     
  2. McGrain

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    Saddler was genius at fighting to the absolute limit of the rules and no more. Pep dropped more points in their series than he did. He was DQ'd once, late in his career, in the main for excessive holding I think, and it was seen as being a bad DQ caused by outside interference of some sort (I forget).

    He wouldn't get dq'd I don't think.
     
  3. Super Hans

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    Fair enough. Do you have anyone you think wouldn't do too well in the modern era?

    For the record I think the top fighters of today such as Mayweather/ Pacquiao/ Wlad etc don't do anywhere near as bad as a lot of boxing 'experts' and historians seem to think. Well for a start they don't lose to every ATG/ Great in history by KO like I read all the time :yep
     
  4. McGrain

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    I agree with you that Mayweather has the skill to compete in any era. However, I understand he has hand trouble which might be detrimental to him in the 1940's for example, where a top black lightweight or welter would box very, very often.


    I'd look to some of the great fighters that boxed without gloves who hated the gloves, Jiimmy Carroll comes to mind, can't imagine what the likes of he and Jim Jeffries would make of the 10 oz "pillows".
     
  5. McGrain

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    I think Robinson would beat Maywather very handily.

    I think Robinson would mop up.
     
  6. McGrain

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    No

    Nobody.

    All fighters who fought up to 200 fights over 25 yrs have/would.

    Except LaMotta is far better than Alvarez.

    You're completely wrong, and almost every fighter, trainer, writer and matchmaker that you could ever ask would agree with me :good
     
  7. Vinegar Hill

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    I f****** despair. I really really do.
     
  8. Super Hans

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    This.

    The only two fighters of any era I would expect to comfortably beat Mayweather at Welterweight are Sugar Ray Robinson to come close to shutting him out and Tommy Hearns to stop him in the mid to late rounds.

    There are others I think would probably beat Floyd (such as Sugar Ray Leonard and Emile Griffith) but nobody else has an easy night.
     
  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'll have to agree with you on this! It's really laughable, how many of the "historians" here on Classic put down modern boxing/boxers. They will have us believe, that today's best boxers are nothing but a bunch of pussies, who would barely be contenders "back in the day", when everything was better, when men were men, etc...
     
  10. McGrain

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    LaMotta is better; beyond all question.

    Boxing 200 fights was, sure.

    That fighters spar and box less in the modern era is a real problem for the era though, a bad one. Obviously enough.
     
  11. BlackCloud

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    As a welterweight, Mayweather has just two stoppages to his credit. Robinson had enough power to stop middleweights like Jake LaMotta, Rocky Graziano and Gene Fullmer.

    Robinson at his peak had record of 128-1-2 with 84 KOs. He had the total package of speed, size, defense and technique. But what would have separated him from Mayweather was his power.
    SRR could deliver a knockout blow while moving backward. And although I'm not implying that Robinson stops Mayweather with one punch, as Floyd has an excellent chin, I believe Robinson would have caught up to Floyd with the frightening combinations that made him what he was.

    If Zab Judah had him touching down then Robinson would finish him.
     
  12. McGrain

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    It was bad for the fighters, generally good for the level they were boxing at. Doing something more often makes you better at it.
     
  13. Super Hans

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    True. Mayweather would have to be in ultra defensive mode just to survive so the chances of him winning would be extremely remote.

    Robinson was basically the ultimate fighting machine at Welterweight.
     
  14. The Peasant

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    I agree with you on the matter of SRR & LaMotta, but to be fair doing something very often against inferior opposition/athletes doesn't necessarily benefit you that much. Many examples of that though history
     
  15. McGrain

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    But they didn't just do it "against inferior opposition", they fought more ranked contenders, too. Actually, however, fighting against "inferior opposition" is exactly what is recommended as the #1 way to get better at fighting, it's called sparring, and they did that more, too.

    They fought more great fighters.

    They fought against a larger disparity of weights, often.

    They fought over longer distances.