Great boxers who killed themselves?

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  1. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I took care of many Suicidal individuals back in my time working on a Mental Health Unit before I retired, during Group Therapy Sessions which I conducted, many claimed Traumatic past experiences led to those Suicidal Ideations.
     
  2. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've never intended on acting on my thoughts like that thankfully. I treated them as a warning, to get back to therapy ASAP. Without my relationship w Jesus, my family, and therapy I'm not sure I would've made it this past decade.
     
  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Just to throw one quick thing in...

    Legal and fair aren't always the same things. I don't know whether Louis was taxed on his donations to the government. If we was, it was probably legal. But that doesn't necessarily make it fair. Sometimes laws create unfair results in unforeseen situations.
     
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  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    People who go to med school work really hard but generally end up doing what they wanted to do.

    The same is true for dentists except they wanted to be MDs.
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It’s not always that much of a choice. Humans are programmed not to commit suicide. If you damage your frontal cortex or get intoxicated to the point of altering its activity, the impulse control goes and a person is more likely to commit suicide.

    And there are mental illnesses like schizophrenia that are associated with suicide and many of those are inherited but generally only manifested if coupled with childhood trauma/stress. Boxers are generally not schizophrenic but many are bipolar or depressed.

    I think there are a lot of people who want to kill themselves or are ambiguous to it but cannot override their impulse control and do it.

    There are also random or cultural circumstances. For example, owning a gas stove or a gun will raise the chance of committing suicide.
     
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  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Sure, I know the distinction and it is certainly valid to address and raise those questions.

    As to the law being conceptually “real life” fair and equitable (which in spirit it is meant to be), there is the saying The Law is an A** - as in donkey-like stupidity, obstinance. and inflexibility-

    The written letter of the law is an attempt at a one size fits all coverage - largely backed by itself but it isn’t necessarily applicable to all circumstances and contexts but of course it can be rigidly adhered to all the same - depending on the inflexibility of those interpreting it and their refusal to override even when discretionary powers are available.

    From the purely legal perspective you would need to confirm if the donations were taxed and if it was within the letter of the law. If so, that might make it fundamentally legal - but there are or should be avenues for review - to examine individual circumstances and details the law doesn’t allow for.

    Someone mentioned the “timing”‘of the donation - as in IF signed over immediately perhaps the law might’ve allowed for full exemption - but since Joe held the monies for a certain period of time before donating - it “technically” deemed the monies to be income.

    If correct, a very fine technical line had been drawn but upon due review and common sense individual assessment, one that perhaps could’ve been overridden based on discretionary powers - an authority that can also be misused and abused also in overly lenient applications underscored by ulterior and not so fair motives.

    Anyway, I did find something on professions and related suicide rates fi you’re interested - Medical Doctors came in # 1 and Dentists # 2 and the reasons provided are interesting and make sense.

    http://zeroattempts.org/suicide-professions.html
     
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  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Excellent post!
     
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