This is a spin off of the Harold Johnson thread. Which in your opinion in mostly responsible for a great build. Chose the following combinations from most important to least important: -A proper diet which means eating small meals 5 times a day, and supplements. -Genetics - What you are given to start with. A person has a set amount of muscle fibers. - Workouts with free weights, resistance weights or road work. - A great work ethic and discipline not to cheat on junk food, drugs, or cigarettes. Of the four I would say Genetics is the clear#1. While everyone can improve, some will improve more than others. The other categories to me are about even.
While they all factor in, the point of this thread is to list what you think is the most important. I think Genetics plays the largest role.
Genetics is the clear cut #1 factor, though with proper diet and exercise anyone can maximise their potential. Certain people just don't have the natural genetics to have a great build, though. Others can eat literally whatever they want, exercise not one bit, and maintain a very low body fat content and muscular build (I persnally know people like this). If someone is going to tell me genetics and natural metabolism doesn't play a major role in that glaring inconsistency to their logic, they're simply fooling themselves.
I would have to say genetics. A fighter like Sugar Ray Robinson is basicaly born and without the right materials to work with no amount of training will create one.
-Genetics - What you are given to start with. A person has a set amount of muscle fibers. - Workouts with free weights, resistance weights or road work. Great genetics allow people to grow even if they cheat or have poor diets. *Edit* We're talking about for a build and not in terms of being the best boxer... Right? Well, at least that's how I answered it.
Show me a great champion who doesnt train hard, usually the best train the hardest. But like I said you need all of the factors to make a champ.
Hard to say...without a great work ethic, you won't realise your full potential. But yeah, genetics are the ultimate determinant of how far you can go, and how easy or difficult that road will be. Without the right diet, much of the hard work in the gym is wasted. People can achieve very respectable builds without weights (some even great builds, given the right genetics) but for many a proper weight training program is the only answer if you want to have a proportioned muscular physique. So for me it's Genetics Work ethic Diet Weights (Work ethic is a pretty broad concept though, and ties in with diet and weight training)
Yeah, but even though some train hard as hell, Philly training, they don't need to look body beautiful... Is Harold Johnson a greater fighter than Joe Frazier? Is Frank Bruno better than Larry Holmes? I think this topic veers into other endeavors, mainly those of fitness competitions and bodybuilding, both of which I find uninteresting as hell.
Concerning Harold Johnson, it's more a case of him being THE consumate ring technician and one of the most skilled practioners of subtle defense and counterpunching DESPITE his rather muscular physique.
While I think Tyson trained hard on the way up, I don't think he worked nearly as hard after he split with Kevin Rooney. I believe Harry Greb hatted training. And Jack Johnson certianly did not train hard all the time as champion.
1. - Genetics - What you are given to start with. A person has a set amount of muscle fibers. 2. - Workouts with free weights, resistance weights or road work. 3. - A proper diet which means eating small meals 5 times a day, and supplements. 4. - A great work ethic and discipline not to cheat on junk food, drugs, or cigarettes.
Tyson peaked while training hard, after that he was in decline, he still managed to keep and maintain some of the level he had reached but once you have attained a certain physical level, it isn't that hard to maintain 70% of that level on minimal training. Johnson I don't know that much about training wise Look at the best today Klitschkos, Mayweather, Pacquiao. What do they have in common? They are 4 of the hardest training men in the sport
If Harold Johnson's the ideal, a kid would have to be BORN with his genetics. No amount of weights, juice or diet could replicate him. Only years of frustration in that quest -- refusing to accept the truth -- all eventually have to come to terms with it.
