Great champions with awful jabs

mcvey · Nov 12, 2018

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

Jones Never strugled until Griffin, won always quite easily, when he was already three divison champion. Ali had over hundred amateur bouts and won a Olympic medal. Therefore he was pushed by a groups of investors an promoter. Against Terell fought he actual very stupid, to punish him.

Ali too in his early to mid thirties a lot more punches than Jones, as he was defensively clearly worse. Foreman wouldn't have landed anything against Jones, he couldn't catch (found) nor hit him, as who was too fast and he had possible even the superior footwork than Ali at his best.

Griffin was far more versaitil, variable and skillful than Frazier. He had the better basics than whom, who had just more power and arguable stamina, but was one-sided.
Ali never won against a technical boxer like Toney, while Jones humilated him at will and won by shootout, even knocked him down, so he hit harder pound for pound than Ali.

Your "arguement" is riddiculous, as it is not about the direct match-rate, just their respektive career when they were at the best. As Robinson would have had most likely no chance against Tyson and would have been destroyed inside 3 rounds, but the very most people rate "Sugar" higher than "Iron Mike". So it is natural that a heavyweight get favoured over a smaĺl light-heavyweight, former middleweight (with peak in Super-Middleweight) who is 13cm shorter.
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NoNeck · Nov 12, 2018

I’m struggling to even remember what James Toney’s jab looked like.... I think he’d paw with it and bring it from his waist.

mcvey · Nov 12, 2018

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

It could be, if you go.
Probably a dozen times more often than you, from Tyson even partly live (before you was born)...
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Then as he before said had and not only that but possibly others!

Aston Villa · Nov 12, 2018

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Holyfield was probably one of the most complete heavyweights ever in that he had every shot in the book and did throw just about every one of those shot to a good level. His jab certainly wasn’t awful which is what this thread is suppose to be about, no?
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Some say the best combination puncher at Heavy since Louis

red cobra · Nov 12, 2018

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

Heh?
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huh?

ironchamp · Nov 12, 2018

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

It could be, if you go.
Probably a dozen times more often than you, from Tyson even partly live (before you was born)...
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1) I joined this site more than decade before you did.
2) I'm not the one who is defending himself this entire thread because you decided to double down on what appears to be trollish and out of touch suggestions.

If you think Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson had awful jabs then one legitimately has to question whether or nor you're being serious, or if you've actually watched any of their fights.

What's more surprising about your suggestions is the fact that you're actually shocked that some one would call you out on it.

mcvey · Nov 12, 2018

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

So because you are no longer here than me, it makes you more constant and qualified to write and give you the permission to Call other members troll?

To the second point; the people which are able to read have an advantage here, I suppos e, especially if they read the whole contend careful...

Im not rocked the slighter, as I expected it (as I known here are some arrogant und annoying folks).
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Notice of them take none because you are no sooner here than them ,and therefore advantage have you them over. Carry on contend as you will, will you? So hope I .

mark ant · Nov 12, 2018

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

Jones never strugled until Griffin, won always quite easily, when he was already three divison champion. Ali had over hundred amateur bouts and won a Olympic medal. Therefore he was pushed by a groups of investors an promoter. Against Terell fought he actual very stupid, to punish him.

Ali too in his early to mid thirties a lot more punches than Jones, as he was defensively clearly worse. Foreman wouldn't have landed anything against Jones, he couldn't catch (found) nor hit him, as who was too fast and he had possible even the superior footwork than Ali at his best.

Griffin was far more versaitil, variable and skillful than Frazier. He had the better basics than whom, who had just more power and arguable stamina, but was one-sided.
Ali never won against a technical boxer like Toney, while Jones humilated him at will and won by shootout, even knocked him down, so he hit harder pound for pound than Ali.

Your "arguement" is riddiculous, as it is not about the direct match-rate, just their respektive career when they were at the best. As Robinson would have had most likely no chance against Tyson and would have been destroyed inside 3 rounds, but the very most people rate "Sugar" higher than "Iron Mike". So it is natural that a heavyweight get favoured over a smaĺl light-heavyweight, former middleweight (with peak in Super-Middleweight) who is 13cm shorter.
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Ali had to deal with a high volume, bruising puncher like Frazier, while Griffin didn`t throw that much vs Jones and still landed too much. Tyrrel used the same tactics Malinga used vs Jones but Ali looked far better vs Tyrell. Jones awful in his bout vs Malinga, I also feel if Jones had met Tyrell in his own era at his lightest weight, he would have more trouble against Tyrell than Ali did. I wasn`t talking about Jones fighting Frazier at heavy, I was just talking hypothetically as though a middle or super middle was as good as Joe was at heavy in terms of pressuring a fighter with that bob and weave style. They would beat Jones and I hope you weren`t making the same mistake when saying Jones would beat Foreman, because that fight would last two rounds, Foreman would have destroyed Ruiz for instance and he wasn`t any slower than him.

mark ant · Nov 12, 2018

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

So because you are longer here than me (but I was on different sites too, over years), it makes you more constant and qualified to write and give you the permission to Call other members troll?

To the second point; the people which are able to read have an advantage here, I suppos e, especially if they read the whole contend careful...

Im not rocked the slighter, as I expected it (as I known here are some arrogant und annoying folks).
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You mention the reading thing, I hope that doesn`t bother you or anything, these are just opinions, a number of guys hate me on this web site also.

mark ant · Nov 12, 2018

NoNeck said: ↑

I’m struggling to even remember what James Toney’s jab looked like.... I think he’d paw with it and bring it from his waist.
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He hardly threw it against Jones, you always jab against a fast fighter.

PhillyPhan69 · Nov 12, 2018

mark ant said: ↑

Ali had to deal with a high volume, bruising puncher like Frazier while Griffin didn`t throw that much vs Jones and still landed too much, Tyrrel used the sdame tactics Malinga used vs Jones but Ali looked far better vs Tyrell, Jones awful in his bout vs Malinga, I also feel in Jones had met Tyrell in his own era at his lightest weight he would have more trouble against Tyrell than Ali did, and I wasn`t talking about Jones fighting Frazier at heavy I was just talking hypothetically, as though a middle or super middle was as good as Joe was at heavy in terms of pressuring a fighter with that bob and weave style they would beat Jones and I hope you weren`t making the same mistake when saying Jones would beat Foreman, because that fight would last two rounds, Foreman would have destroyed Ruiz for instance and he wasn`t any slower than him.
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How is this whole paragraph only one full sentence? I am out of breath just reading it.

red cobra · Nov 12, 2018

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

Where are your behaviour? Got you no education by your parents?
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What me worry?

mark ant · Nov 12, 2018

red cobra said: ↑

What me worry?
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Can you stop insulting this guy, he`s probably from a foreign country or something.

red cobra · Nov 12, 2018

mark ant said: ↑

Can you stop insulting this guy, he`s probably from a foreign country or something.
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I choose the "or something" option.

red cobra · Nov 12, 2018

mark ant said: ↑

I`lll stick some coma`s in.
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Make sure they're 1996 commas, ok?

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