Great fight! Charlie Powell vs Norkus

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  1. choklab

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  2. Longhhorn71

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    Interesting. I was following Charley Powell back in late 50's, early 60's from afar.

    Charles Elvin Powell (April 4, 1932 – September 1, 2014) was an American professional football player.

    Powell was born in Texas. He and his younger brother Art Powell, a NFL wide receiver for the New York Titans and Oakland Raiders in the 1960s, grew up in the Logan Heights area of San Diego, California.

    Powell played professional baseball and football as well as boxed. His greatest success was as an NFL player and a boxer, even boxing against Muhammad Ali.

    High school
    Charlie starred in football, basketball, track and baseball at San Diego High School. In 1950, as a 6'-3", 230-pound defensive end and offensive end, with tremendous power and speed, he was named the California high school football player of the year. In track, he ran 100 yards in 9.6 seconds and threw the shot put 57 feet 9¼ inches. In basketball, he was a second-team all-league center. As a high school baseball player, he hit balls out of San Diego Balboa Stadium. He turned a down an offer of a tryout by the Harlem Globetrotters.

    Baseball career
    After high school, Charlie was recruited by Notre Dame and UCLA to play football, St. Louis Browns baseball owner Bill Veeck, who had acquired the legendary pitcher Satchel Paige from the Cleveland Indians, signed the power-hitting outfielder to a professional baseball contract. He was sent to the Stockton Ports, a Class B minor league team.

    Football career
    But after playing pro baseball in the summer of 1952, Charlie suddenly abandoned his pro baseball career and signed a pro football contract with the San Francisco 49ers. At 19, he became the youngest player in NFL history. In his first game, he started against the NFL champion Detroit Lions and had multiple sacks against QB Bobby Layne totaling 67 yards in losses.

    Powell played five seasons in the NFL for the 49ers (1952–53 and 1955–57) and two for the Oakland Raiders (1960–61) in the AFL.

    Boxing career
    Powell was also a professional boxer. In March 1959, on television, he knocked out Nino Valdes of Cuba who was the number 2 ranked heavyweight fighter in the world at the time. He fought Muhammad Ali (who was then known as Cassius Clay) at the Civic Arena in Pittsburgh on January 24, 1963. Ali knocked out Powell in the third round, as Ali predicted before the fight. He finished his pro boxing career with a record of 25-11-3. In his career, Charlie also fought Floyd Patterson, losing to him in 6 rounds.

    Retirement
    Powell is a member of the Breitbard San Diego Hall of Fame. He was last known to be living in the Pasadena, California area.

    Death
    Powell died on September 1, 2014 at age of 82 after living with dementia for several years
     
  3. SuzieQ49

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    Two mediocre 50s fighters. Norkus had a glass jaw and cut easily

    Powell was very green here, only his 11th pro fight with no amateur experience. Powell became much better 4-5 years later

    In fact Powell easily outpointed norkus in the rematch 4 years latee
     
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    Good info.....as usual.
     
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    Just found this bit of gold dust. Should interest you guys.


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    I think they were good fighters from a time when a lot of good fighters had to fight each other. Watching the technique, spirit and willingness to exchange should be a reminder of the quality about back then. There was only one route to a title back then and it meant climbing over decent fighters each time.

    The thing about glass jaws is everyone seems to have one when getting hit by a perfect shot. Both guys got off the floor from really heavy knockdowns. You can’t knock them too much.
     
  8. edward morbius

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    "The thing about glass jaws"

    Is that Norkus was stopped 6 times in 52 fights.

    Powell was stopped 8 times in 39 fights.

    Which one had the glass jaw?

    And glass jaw or not, Powell stood up to Nino Valdes' punches and KO'd him.

    It is fair to say both men were second-tier contenders at best.

    Just on Powell, it just shows that being "big and athletic" certainly doesn't prove you are that good of a fighter. He simply looks clumsy and not all that coordinated in the footage I have seen of him, and obviously very vulnerable to a good punch.
     
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    Valdes showed up in by far the worst shape of his career vs Powell. I mean it was Kirk Johnson harpoon whale esq.

    Valdes weighed in an astonishingly obese 244lb vs Powell.

    Valdes in his prior weights weighed 217, 214, 211, 209, 206 and his fighgs afterward 211, 217, 210

    Based on the fight reports I read...Valdes gassed badly. Wonder why?

    At age 34, he was definitely starting to hit the cliff in 1959.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    Third Teir contenders at best. Especially Norkus, he was no world beater

    Powell at his best was better than norkus for sure
     
  11. Drew101

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    Norkus may not have been a fringe contender at best, but he certainly was in a lot of good fights, it seems. His first fight with Nardico is considered something of an underground classic, and this fight with Powell wasn't far behind.

    Powell did pretty well for himself in boxing given that he came to it late and was playing pro football at an exceedingly high level simultaneously for at least part of his career.
     
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    Hit the cliff? Why, isn’t Valdes the number two rated HW at that time?
     
  13. SuzieQ49

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    He was. But he hit a cliff in 1959. Happens in your mid 30s. Valdes would still hit very hard but his reflexes were eroding.

    What about Valdes weighing 244 for Powell while every other fight in his career he was under 220? Talk about being out of shape

    Valdes Still had enough left in the tank to slice up Brian London a year later and stop him. Valdes never had any problems stopping those weak hitting Euros
     
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    so Valdes was #2 contender, worthy of a title fight with Patterson - or he was hitting the cliff, which one is it? You have campaigned for the case that Patterson ducked Valdes at this point, now, presumably fighting Powell in place of Patterson nino also has “hit the cliff”?

    have you even seen London vs Valdes? Brian was in charge of Valdes in that fight, a dirty mauling affair, there was not much in it. Not much clean work. A premature stoppage. London said in the interview afterwards that Patterson would “paralyse Valdes”. He should know.

    just as well nino never fought Ingo. Funny how the top guys who outclassed Nino also lost to Euros then isn’t it? Like Machen and Foley.

    you never know. Perhaps nino was taking advice from a strength and conditioning coach and was experimenting with extra weight? Charles tried something similar when he lost to nino back in the day. This blunder helped Valdes get rated initially. At the same stage of his career is it plausible that nino blundered also?
     
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  15. SuzieQ49

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    Charles weighed 191lb vs Nino. A 5lb difference than the Charles who fought Marciano.

    Valdes weighed in 244lb vs Powell, a 30-35lb difference than his recent and subsequent fights of weighing around 210-215lb

    Clearly, your example is a **** poor one.

    And you have no evidence Charles experimented with a strength coaching telling him to put on “extra” weight for Valdes. Classic choke making up information