Great fight! Charlie Powell vs Norkus

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Folley Chuvalo

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34 year old Folley takes on a young bonavena

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"From 1956-1965 name me more than 5 heavyweights who had better careers than Zora Folley?"

Ali, Liston, Patterson, Johansson, Terrell, Williams (plus Moore & Johnson if considered at heavyweight)

"I had Folley ahead 5 round to 1"

The Vitali standard of greatness. How many rounds did you win before getting knocked out.

"bashing of Folley"

He was a solid enough contender, but there is a tendency now to perhaps overrate Folley and Machen. They both failed time and again in their big opportunities. Folley managed to win the second fight with Machen, or I would have put Machen among those with a better career than Folley. Machen generally did better against the field than Folley, and certainly didn't have those embarrassing KO losses in his prime to such as Lavorante and Jones.

 

The RING and NBA rated Folley number 1 at one point in 1958

If Brian London can get a title shot coming off a loss to Henry Cooper, why can’t Folley?


Here is the July 1958 rankings RING

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,2647652&hl=en

Champion Floyd Patterson

1. Zora Folley
2. Eddie Machen
3. Willie Pastrano
4. Archie Moore
5. Roy Harris
6. Nino Valdes
7. Ingemar Johansson
8. Alex Miteff
9. George Chuvalo
10. Harold Carter


Folley reached number 1 status with NBA

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AAIBAJ&sjid=jPcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6070,494524&hl=en

 

Folley and Machen are generally considered two of the better contenders in history never to win a title. Robbed of a title shot by Damato, one of the all time cautious managers. How are they overrated? Folley has one of the most impressive resumes of the era, as does Machen. They both look very good on film compared to London, radamacher, mcneeley, and Harris.


You think Archie Moore accomplished more at heavyweight than Foley did from 56-65? Folleys resume blows his away. You can’t count any heavyweight wins prior to 1956 for Moore.

Again with Cleveland Williams, how does his resume compare with folleys 1956-65?


How is losing to Doug Jones an Embarrassing loss? He nearly beat Muhammad Ali a year later

 

Back to insulting Ingo.

Seriously, just stepping out of a fun thread--I think you should drop calling heavyweight champions cowards. It just comes off sour.

 

I do think he was scared of Liston. Goes back to his fight with Ed sanders, where he spent the entire fight running away from the big American. It was considered such a cowardice move the Olympic committee refused to give Johansson his silver medal. Johansson stayed away from fighting punchers his whole career outside of Patterson (who flattened him twice) and a very green Henry Cooper (who was losing to unknowns around that time ). Got saved by the bell against weak hitter Brian London . He sandbagged Eddie Machen, then never granted him a rematch.



One of the most overrated heavyweights of all time. He had a very ugly style on film. One dimensional, no left hand, weak chin, poor defense...his attitude sucked he thought he was a playboy. Marciano nearly came out of retirement to kick the **** out of him

 

"But still lingering in my mind was the rememberance of something that I had never talked about, even after Johansson and I were signed to fight. I had never in my life seen a man so scared in the ring, as Johansson was in that fight with Sanders. First impressions are lasting, and that was mine."- Floyd Patterson 1962

 

I have something I have to do, but as Arnold says,

I'll be back,

because I find this a fun thread, and I want to respond, especially to Williams over Folley.

 

And a 1956-1965 moore over Folley at heavy? Moore stopped taking on contenders after @1955

 

Lots of fighters outpointed Chuvalo.

Bonavena was an 8 fight tyro. Even greener than Powell against Norkus or Lavorante against Folley.

These two wins are all right, but nothing to get very excited about either.

 

Was he? He was coming off a knockout over Tom mcneeley, a world title challenger to Damatos throne. After the loss to Foley, he knocked out future top 10 Eduardo Coletti in 1 round, knocked out former top 10 billy Daniels in 1 round, and he wouldn’t lose again until 2 years later a close split decision loss to joe Frazier.

Folley beat Eddie Machen in his prime at eddies own game, by outboxing him

Not impressed with that?

 

"One of the most overrated heavyweights etc.,"

So you ranked him #32 all time on your top 50 heavyweight list!?

"He stayed away from punchers."

Patterson? Machen?