Great Fighters' AMATEUR Records...

Again, every opportunity. You really have a hard-on for this guy

 

C'mon,,,,,,,,,JM,,,,,That was a great quote.

How the hell is that a Knock on Mr. Wonderful,,,,,,,,,,

Terry Downes quote = a Hard-on for Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,
How the 'hell' did you come up with that.

 

Tony Tubbs was 240-13.

 

Cassius Clay had some big wins in the amateurs;


Who defeated him;
Kent Green
Amos Johnson
Mel Turnbow ?

 

I think SRR was 85-1 or 84-1

 

Very next post:

 

The Young Cassius Clay did lose,,,,,,,,

Feb. 1955,,,,,,,L Dec,, James Davis
July 1955,,,,,,,,L Dec,, John Hampton
June 1957,,,,,,,L Dec,, Donnie Hall
July 1957,,,,,,,,L KO 1, Terry Hodge
Aug. 1957,,,,,,,L Dec,, Jimmy Ellis
Mar. 1958,,,,,,,L KO 2, Kent Green
May 1959,,,,,,,,L Dec,, Amos Johnson
April 1960,,,,,,,L Dec,, Percy Price

Note; Mel Turnbow claims he split '2' bouts with Cassius Clay in 1960, when both entered a
Heavyweight Tournament 178+ lbs.

 

ABC,

The 1959 Pan Am Games were held in Chicago, 8/27/59 thru 9/7/59

Middleweight
Abrao de Souza (Brazil) defeated Bob Foster (USA)

Light Heavyweight
Amos Johnson (USA) defeated Rafael Gargiulo (Argentina)

Heavyweight
Allen Hudson (USA) defeated Eduardo Corletti (Argentina)

Cassius Clay stayed home.

The general feeling throughout the USA Amateur Boxing Team, was that if
Amos Johnson did not have to go back into the military, it would have been
him that went to Rome on the U.S. Olympic Boxing Team, and not Mr. Clay.

Amos was without a doubt, was the best 178 lb. Amateur in 1959.

 

I know one of them was Amos Johnson. It was his southpaw style that stymied Ali. Then again, he was quite young then and Amos was basically a man fighting children.

 

Anybody know Bernard "Superbad" Mays am record? I keep seeing that he was the most talented individual that Emmanuel Steward trained. In addition to saying Mays was similar to Sugar Ray Robinson in ability.

I read this in Hit Man by Brian & Damien Hughes.

edit: The more I read Hit Man the less I like about it. Seriously, first line that pissed me off? "Thomas Hearns was born black and poor". Quite aware of his race. COming from poverty, yes that's a story. Over coming the odds, yes that's a story. Being black? Not really a story outside of the potential injustices suffered, yet the book doesn't really go the "race route" after that singular line. Silly stuff. Also, Leonard-Hearns I was possibly the most boring explanation of an amazing fight I've ever read.

 

Amos Johnson lumped up Cassius Clay pretty good in the Eliminator for the
U.S.A. Light Heavyweight representative at the 1959 Pan Am Games.

Amos claimed that Cassius avoided him at all costs in 1959.

 

Donald Curry was like 400-4 or 400-6 or something.

 

I have researched this for years and I can not find any proof that Price even fought Ali (Clay). They claim that he beat Ali during the 1960 Olympic Trials which never happened. If anyone has proof, like an article in 1960, not years later, that this happened, PLEASE post it!

Ali's (Clay's) Amatuer Loses:
Feb 4, 1955 - James Davis L 3 Louisville 118 Louisville Novice GG Tourn. BA Finals
Jul 28, 1955 - John Hampton L 3 Louisville
Jan 26, 1957 - James Yates L-3 Kentucky, Louisville, WAVE-TV Studio
Jul 6, 1957 - Donnie Hall L 3 (split) Louisville 167 WAVE main
Sep 7, 1957 - Terry Hodge TKO by 1 Louisville 163 WAVE main (bout stopped on cut eye)
Oct. 12, 1957 - Jimmy Ellis L 3 (split) Louisville
Feb 26, 1958 - Kent Green TKO by 2 Chicago Chicago Tourn. of Champs LH Quarter.
Apr 30, 1959 - Amos Johnson L 3 (split) Madison Pan-Am Games Trials LH Finals

 

Senor Pepe/Il Duce was a character, clearly with interesting sources. But take a huge pinch of salt when they write on Ali, they had a chip on their shoulder about the Louisville Lip.

 

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Dropped two Ls ironically to someone named Clay. lol