Great Fighters Who Did Worse in Rematches?

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  1. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Louis is the most famous example of a fighter who always improved on previous results when he rematched an old foe. Hagler and Marciano are two other guy. My question is, how many great fighters were there that generally performed worse in rematches?

    Its a strange thread idea, I know, but I'm bored and it got me thinking.

    I've wracked my brain and so far I've come up with Edwin Rosario (his three best wins, over Ramirez, Randell, and Nazario were all reversed by violent knockouts) and Erik Morales (against Pacman and now Garcia).

    Tim Witherspoon wasn't great but like Rosario his two sigature wins were reversed in embarrassing fashion.
     
  2. Vyborg1917

    Vyborg1917 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Burley/Williams, although somewhat contentious.
     
  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Not great, but Glen Johnson did worse the 2nd time around against Tarver & Dawson and the 3rd time against Woods.

    Morales aside, you could make the case that Pacquiao's done worse when he's rematched (not that he's done badly).

    :think

    Maybe Holman Williams, though I guess whether he was better or worse depends on which one of the group he happened to be rematching.
     
  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Can't think of too many who did worse in rematches,...I know that Emile griffith was a bit erratic at times, but he generally did great in rematches..exceot with Monzon. Let me see,..maybe Jersey joe Walcott, yet he did better vs Charles in return gos than he did with Louis and marciano.
     
  5. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    John Conteh Vs Saad Muhammed
     
  6. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Are we making a distinction between one fighter doing 'worse' and the other performing better/adjuzzting/having a different type of fight? Or am I just being anal?

    Either way there's the obvious - Roberto Duran
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    He did pretty good vs DeJesus...twice.
     
  8. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And he cleanly beat Viruet as well. Mike Tyson? Stoppage Ruddock (however controversial) and then he gets taken the distance. We know how it went with Holyfield.

    I think if you're a great fighter, you probably did well in rematches. Ismael Laguna?
     
  9. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    My bad, I was talking about individual rematches

    RJJ didn't do too great in rematches, Griffin aside
     
  10. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Mike Tyson was a great fighter. He knocked Rudduck down twice and broke his jaw. I wouldn't neccesarily say he did worse.
     
  11. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Monzon more often than not during his title reign.He was better against Griff, Bouttier and valdez first time around.Albeit the first two rematches came hot on the heels of being shot and the latter at the end of his career.

    Kalambay did worse against McCallum and Graham 2nd time around, though was on the downside of his career especially for the latter.


    a lot of fans tend to favour fighters who do well in rematches, but i tend to think a lot of the time it showed up a relative lack of versatility or more importantly lack of ability to think\adapt rapidly and during the play being taken away.IF you're good enough to turn in a controlling performance against a man, better to do it at the first time of asking.

    I often find myself ending up thinking they'd have lost(or lost in worse fashion)if who they were fighting was a bit more talented.IT makes me think they aren't likely to do well against the more adaptable fighters of equal or greater ability to them.


    Of course dedication comes into it a lot.But going both ways, you're as likely to take someone lightly after you've kicked their arse as you are if you've never fought them after all.

    And the timing of the bouts relative to a fighters prime, but that goes without needing any elaboration.
     
  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Frazier
    Mosley (lost to Forrest/Wright.....and yes, Oscar. ****ers)
     
  13. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Mosley didnt do worse in his Forrest/Wright rematches you scrawny lil hoe.

    Dumbass hugger just had to find a way to mention his crossdresser idol in this thread.
     
  14. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I was looking at it more cut and dry (being able to overturn a loss in the rematch, say like Holyfield did) My bad for not acknowledging the specifics though. In that case, you are correct.

    I still stand by Mosley not being particularly good in rematches.
     
  15. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Fair enough.

    You still a hoe though :D