Great fighters who had problems with lesser opponents

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  1. wordisbond

    wordisbond Active Member Full Member

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    Watching the Pac-Marquez fight last night, I was thinking about great fighters who were always troubled by a lesser opponent (not saying Marquez isn't excellent in his own right). Robinson had Randy Turpin, Ali had Ken Norton. Can you guys list more examples off the top of your head?
     
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  2. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Robbo lost to Turpin once in the midst of a tour and battered him in the return. Not comparable IMO.
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Shane Mosely with Vernon Forrest
     
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  4. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    er...

    randy was doing great in the rematch, had robinsons eye split before robinson stopped him...you give the impression he was beat by robinson all the way through the rematch
     
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  5. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not a great; but still a fine fighter: Norris/Santana... ;)
     
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  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Johnny Tapia with Paulie Ayala.
    Marco Antonio Barrera with Junior Jones
    Bernard Hopkins with Jermain Taylor
    Humberto Gonzalez with Kwang Sun Kim and Yul-Woo Lee
    Myung Woo Yuh with Leo Gamez and Alberto Mario De Marco
    Ricardo Lopez with Rosendo Alvarez
    Jung Koo Chang with Jorge Cano
    Bert Cooper gave both Michael Moorer and Evander Holyfield hell.
    Julio Cesar Chavez with Juan La Porte
     
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  7. wordisbond

    wordisbond Active Member Full Member

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    ^ Great post Addie, thanks so much.
     
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  8. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    patterson v igemar johhansonn ??
     
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  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know I have a strong sense of what Great should be; but are really calling Barrera, Gonzales, Yuh and Moorer Great? :scaredas:
     
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  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    In the context of their respective weight divisions, absolutely. Yuh and Gonzalez are among the top 5-6 Light Flyweights in the history of the division. Likewise, MAB has established himself as being a modern great and perhaps one of the finest fighters Mexico has ever produced. Moorer was never a great fighter, but he was still a level above Bert Cooper. It was worth mentioning.
     
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  11. MrOliverKlozoff

    MrOliverKlozoff The guy in shades Full Member

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    I think you're talking to the same guy that didn't consider Benitez a great. :roll:
     
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  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes you are; Benitez was enigma, as close to a child prodigy as boxing got. For a period he was excellent, but he lacked the length of brilliance required to be a great; if you want the word to mean something special.

    OK, if your personal standards, means any flash of brilliance gets credited with the tag, then Benitez is great...
     
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  13. MrOliverKlozoff

    MrOliverKlozoff The guy in shades Full Member

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    A flash of brilliance = Buster Douglas not Wilfred Benitez, dude.
     
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  14. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Context? Come on, Greatness should be above such silly, naive dribble... Greatness is special, royalty, in the context of a weight division; once in a generation.

    You confuse excellence with greatness. You can be a superb fighter, without being a great, IMO.

    I consider Greatness should be reserved to the 40 or so greatest fighters to lace up the gloves. Otherwise you devalue the word.
     
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  15. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree: Benetiz against Cervantes...
     
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