Great fighters who suffered a shut-out when prime or near-prime?

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  1. horst

    horst Guest

    Can a fighter be considered a great fighter if he is effectively shut out while in his prime or near-prime and at a good weight for him?

    I have only just thought of this question, and the only guy I can think of as maybe fitting this description is James Toney (effectively shut out by Roy Jones).

    Can you think of any more, and/or do you have a firm answer to my opening question? :bbb
     
  2. Boxed Ears

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    Trinidad VS ODLH. One of the fighters in that fight. Anyway, yes. A great fighter can get shutout in their prime. There are so many bad match-ups and other circumstances involved...it shouldn't discount you as a great.
     
  3. horst

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    :huh I scored that fight 8-4 Oscar. Not even close to a shut-out IMO.
     
  4. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Me too. 1-8 for Oscar and 9-12 for Trinidad and I'm a Tito fan. It was a very good fight but Oscar taking it easy in the last rounds kinda toke away from it a little. Still, DLH should've been awarded the decision he deserved.
     
  5. techks

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    I don't know if Toney was really prime then even though he was ranked so highly at the time. I know if he wasn't prime he was damn near close so that fight can meet your description.
     
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    Hi, I'm Boxed Ears. Have we met?
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    Marquez shut out Pacquaio in their first fight except for the first round
     
  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure I can think of a great fighter copping an actual shutout whilst prime and in his preferred weight class.

    The only one I can really think of is Antonio Cervantes vs. Nicolino Locche I, which I haven't seen (to fully believe).

    There's been a few near shutouts I can think of, but they were usually against greats outside of their preferred weight divisions, e.g:

    Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins
    Carmen Basilio vs. Gene Fullmer I
    Azumah Nelson vs. Pernell Whitaker
    Esteban DeJesus vs. Antonio Cervantes


    I would venture to say that Emile Griffith vs. Luis Rodriguez II was near a shutout for el feo. Griffith probably won about 3 rounds though, which might not qualify it.
     
  9. Zopilote

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    Tito and B-Hops....Tito was in his prime, he looked very good at 160 when he destroyed Joppy, which was one fight before getting his ass handed to him by B-Hops. Sure, Tito was at his absolute best at 147, but like i said, he looked near prime to me in his first fight at 160.
     
  10. lora

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    Kingpetch suffered worse in the first Harada fight.lost more or less every round and was stopped late .He also has a first round knockout in his prime going against him.A lot of people still regard the Thai as a great, though not me.

    Harada vs Rose could qualify as well imo, Harada was certainly near-prime, though his dedication had waned and i don't think he was in the best of shape for the fight.

    Canto vs Chan-Hee Park perhaps.Canto was certainly past his absolute prime by that point, but also imo obviously still a great fighter, who may have reigned for a while yet..Borderline one i think.

    McCallum vs Kalambay as well.McCallum finally established himself as a big name fighter with thew in over Curry then loses in wide fashion.

    I thought Cervantes only won about two rounds against Benitez as well, but i know a lot of people consider that fight quite close.


    Depends how strict you are being with the term shutout though.is it the judges cards we are looking at, or just how we all saw the fights.You could give the losers a few rounds in those fights, but they were all effective shutouts with one man being controlled from start to finish without ever winning anything with any real initiative imo.
     
  11. Rock0052

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    Pac-Barrera I

    MAB got dominated with homefield advantage at a weight he was very successful at, and was sporting a very high P4P ranking to boot going into the fight (top 5 or top 3, if I remember correctly). The scorecards take into account a knockdown against Pac that should've been ruled a slip in round 1, which I had Pac winning had it been ruled correctly.
     
  12. lora

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  13. SuzieQ49

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::roll::roll::roll:

    It was too much ground for Marquez to make up. I had pacman by a point.
     
  14. PowerPuncher

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    Only winding up the TS Suzie ;) Prob 8-4 to JMM plus the KDs
     
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