Great fighters with obvious tells

Pacquiao, especially post-130, dropped to his right as if he was throwing to the body then threw his left.

So quick but a feint he often used. Don't think it'd be easy to read when you're facing him as he was so quick but he used it a fair bit.

Pacquiao of course read Ricky Hatton's left hand and sparked him, as Ricky cocked his fists before throwing.

Anything other than that and I'm stumped. Came think of any minute twitches like that, or maybe it's because I'm looking for negatives. Because otherwise Duran's double feint to set up the left hook was something he did a fair bit. Most notably to set up the punch that jarred Ray in the second round of their first fight.

I wouldn't say it was telegraphed rather more of a trademark. I guess that's the same with the Floyd example. You'd notice it but would find it hard to work off of it. Even mores than Pacquiao, it's something you'd notice more as a viewer rather than in the ring I imagine, so quick was the execution.

 

I do but don't notice ticks too much. More watch it to see technique when they're throwing. Less for set-ups and mannerisms, that's the kinda' technical stuff I love seeing you spout, fascinates me endlessly.

Duran's shift was of course all in the feet, even if it was his hands that took his opponents eyes off of them. Perfect masking that.

 

I rate Mike Spinks' left hook mores than the Spinks Jinx. But as awkward his angles and herky jerky style there was a definite shift of weight to his front leg before he threw the left, even if his release was very quick.

See the Johnson K.O, but I'm going on memory here. Seemed to set himself ready to drive through.

 

interesting topic.

Lennox Lewis did a lot of pawing/sloppy rangefinder jabs intending to miss while setting up that right hand late in his career. At his best, he didn't do it as much but later fights he sure did. by the time of the Mavrovic he did it a lot. Kind of a case of reverting back to the Correa days but not all the way back to the Davenport days. Maybe the higher weight he was carrying didn't help but I thought it was an effort on his part to not use any energy whatsoever and just take measurements for the right. so he ended up telegraphing a lot more than the older days of exploiting openings like he did against Ruddock. but that right hand was not as striaght anymore and it was likely a smart adjustment on his part, just not sure. He pawed against Tyson and Mike was wide open from like the 2nd round on and he sure wasn't dropping rights in there.

I thought Moorer did something strange and it telegraphed his whole offense. He kind of turned into a forget about straight left hand leads anymore guy. He was a unique southpaw when he threw nice untelegraphed straight left hand leads right down the pipe with major accuracy. Bang. Later on and the next thing you knew, it was everything off the jab and nothing but. No more lead lefts & took away from his own effectiveness.

Lamon Brewster was another. Strange style but he'd throw big shots only retaliating after getting hit clean himself. He just never seemed to set anything up with a jab himself but wait until he got tagged and not stung but hit clean. Then, it was nasty left hooks that he was very effective throwing. His actions as a response were telegraphed to the maximum and I thought it was something Liakovich capitalized on. He seemed to be ready and waiting once he tagged Lamon and could set his defense and knew what Brewster was going to do in there and what specific punch he was throwing and when.

 

It is not uncommon for Hopkins to shrug his shoulders before throwing a combination.

 

Nice work.

 

Patterson's 'gazelle punch' fits my criteria of what a telegraphed punch looks like.

 

Angelo Dundee said Hagler always stepped with the right foot before he did anything. John Garfield says Pacquiao does the same...

Hopkins always tried to distract, but his feet placement will tell you when he wants to commit to a right hand. Wide base expect some power...narrow base it's a teaser...and he will either jab or start moving or a right hand will be thrown just not as hard.

 

Tito would dip his left sholder just before a big left hook was thrown.

 

The most famous tell was Joe Louis dropping his left hand after jabbing with it.
That's what Schmeling saw and how he knocked Louis out.
Louis kept on doing it, even after the Schmeling fight.

 

Since he was most certainly a great amateur and a solid pro at the very least, I'll include something I've noticed about Rigondeaux...And that's the fact that he always sets the straight left by pushing his right hand out oh so slowly in order to bait the opponent into an attempted counter. Without fail, he then rolls left and shoots the straight left hand.

I could count the times that I've seen him throw a traditional one-two on one hand, though he will throw the right behind the left every once in a while in an inversion of that combination.

I don't know if that's what Magna's looking for, but it's the best I've got on short notice.

 

baldomir times him doing this in the second round of their fight, and counters floyd's right hand with his own right hand "hard right hand" says jim lampley as it hits him square on his mouth. floyd runs away from baldomir for the rest of the fight. first and last time ive seen anyone counter it

interesting thing is floyd brought in baldomir as a main sparring partner after they fought. i think baldomir got his respect, and floyd really had much a harder time that night than everybody viewing the fight thought

 

Most Cubans. They make two moves and stop, and repeat this over and over. Either two moves to the outside or two bounces and stop.
Go you tube any from Kid Chocolate (the old one) to any of their Olympic greats to their escapies. Not all of them do this, but most do.