Great fighter's with poor defense

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  1. FuryisGOAT

    FuryisGOAT Fury is not Goat,Fury is a Fraud,MarcianoisGOAT Full Member

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    Worst thread ever. You can’t be a great fighter and have poor defence.
     
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    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's your opinion, to me he didn't show that throughout his career. Even if you believe that he's top 10 HW ever in terms of peak (he has no case for top 5), you can't deny that his defense was mediocre.
     
  3. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We both know he was very lazy, so he couldn't have shown that throughout his career. I just said in terms of peak form. And even with average defense, he was still good enough
     
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    I don't deny he was a great fighter at his best, but top 5 gives him way too much credit for my taste.
     
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  5. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    That's why so many people on this thread have been able to name so many
     
  6. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Wrong
     
  7. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who do you have in front of him (peak vs peak I mean) ?
     
  8. FuryisGOAT

    FuryisGOAT Fury is not Goat,Fury is a Fraud,MarcianoisGOAT Full Member

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    Name one?
     
  9. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He certainly had the ability to be top 5-10 in heavyweight history.
    If he had the discipline of prime Ali, or Holyfield? He may
    still be champ.
     
  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Inarguably:

    Joe Louis
    Sonny Liston
    Muhammad Ali
    George Foreman
    Larry Holmes
    Lennox Lewis
    Wladimir Klitschko

    I don't even name smaller or oldschool fighter to prevent from unnecessary controversies.
     
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Bowe would do some serious damage to Wlad and Vitali IMO.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Bowe-Vitali just leaves me very very confused whenever I think about it. I think about that fight a lot and always end up no further on.
     
  13. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that Wladimir would beat someone with as questionable defense as Bowe. Of course I'm talking about the peak version of Klitschko, he'd have to be 100% prepared and focused.
     
  14. Showstopper97

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    90s Foreman (he had decent defense in the 70s)
     
  15. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's only 7 people, so he's not that far from top 5. I definitely don't have Louis and I'm not exactly sure about Foreman and Lewis either.
    I do have Tyson though.