Great heavyweight war outcomes, changed by **** trainers?

I think a guy like Tyson needed a strong corner more than a lot of the fighters you mentioned. He was a brawler with a huge punch, so he constantly had to be reminded to use his setup and defensive skills and not look for one punch, which was a common issue with guys like Tyson. I think boxers like Lewis Ali and Bowe who used their jabs and boxed more would probably not be as affected, although I think Pepe Correa's instructions to Lewis were probably as bad as Snowell's and Brights in certain fights, specifically the Mcall fight.
On a side note Aaron Snowell actually developed into a pretty respectable trainer, but at the time he worked with Tyson he really didnt know much and never really had the personality to deal with Tyson. Bright was and still is worthless.

 

At the end of the day, Tyson has no one to blame but himself.

He didnt make the mistake once, he made it multiple times

Fire Rooney+Cayton.

Allowed King to suck him dry (financially)

Chose 3 guys who never boxed before to be his trainers

After the Douglas loss, he finally hires a decent trainer in Giachetti.

Comes out of prison and does the same thing.

Fights Holyfield with the 3 stooges in his corner, after losing to Holy, he brings back Giachetti again

Its all Tysons fault. Thing is guys like Ali, Holyfield were able to adapt and had their own styles which coudlnt really be taught. They would do well without trainers

Tyson on the other hand was taught the peekaboo style which was most effective for him due to his lack of reach and height. Tyson NEEDED Rooney more than Ali needed Dundee etc

 

Jap girls don't typically like big black guys.

 

Even with Futch in his corner Bowe was very lazy so yes I think with Snowell and Bright it would have been a complete disaster. Tyson basically ran his camps with Snowell and Bright not the other way around.

Lewis had a coming of age in the corner with Steward against Mercer. If you listen to the corner commentary closely, Lewis was confused and very frustrated and making very spoiled remarks. Go warn the ref hes butting, go warn the ref hes holding and elbowing etc. Steward basically told him to quit the BS and go out there and fight. Lewis needed a guy like Steward to get him through that fight. I think he would have lost with an inexperienced trainer in his corner, it was super close as it was.

 

It makes sense for the champion of the world to have good professionals in his corner.

Tyson won two fights with those guys in his corner, so I don't think we can say everyone would be doomed with those guys in their corner. But it makes no sense to have them there if they are going to be so sloppy.

 

Why not? Eventually a fighter is going to be put into a situation where he needs the proper advice from his corner. Tyson didnt get it from Snowell and Bright in Tokyo. Lewis did against Mercer, didnt against Mcall. Tyson didnt exactly win impressively against Bruno. The Williams fight didnt get out of the first two minutes.

 

Buddy McGirt throws in the towel after the 4th round of Ali-Liston I. Liston retains title.

 

Why not what ?

 

I think WE CAN say that most fighters on this level would eventually be doomed with amatuers o their caliber in their corner.

 

Yes, I think so.
But not necessarily in cases of individual fights.

 

A fight on par with the ineptitude of the Tyson/Douglas fight was Ali/Spinks 2. Actually you could say it was worse because the head trainer Benton, left the corner during the fight. Quit and walked out of the arena. And Ali was just shoeshining out there trying to cutie pie his way to a decision win. But Benton was no longer the main guy in the corner and it was almost comical or criminal, the way things were handled between rounds in that 15 round fight. And Leon still made it relatively close. But it sure was apparent both guys were not the division's elite. Both guy's next fight was a real dose of reality of that.

 

Yeah, people are quick to point out that Ali lost to Leon Spinks because he was old and undertrained .... but quick to forget that Leon Spinks went absolutely to **** in his 7 months as champion, partied his title away, and really should have gone 2-0 against Ali if he'd kept his head remotely straight.

 

Leon was a weak personality and allowed his corner situation to deteriorate between the two Ali fights. Everyone who had ever worked with him was taking credit for the first win and wanted a piece of the action.

IIRC, Leon had three chief seconds for the second fight. They settled on a rotation where each guy got to give corner advice every third round. So one got 1, 4, 7, etc. and so on.

As for Bright and Snowell, it goes to Tyson. He didn't want a trainer who would make him work. He didn't want to listen to anyone. If Dundee, Futch and the old gang from Stillman's Gym were on hand, it wouldn't have mattered. ... But they probably would have had an enswell.