Great Jim Braddock Vid

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  1. Unforgiven

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    The video has the quality we've come to expect from a reznick production.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    That wouldn't be a highlight reel.
     
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  3. reznick

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    He deflects the second punch after it already tags him. Braddock beats him to it.
    Which is why you can see his head slightly bump backwards and his hair flick.
    You can see it easier in slow motion, which you can do from Youtube.

    The point of this clip wasn't to show how his jab could halt his forward movement (An arbitrary qualifier).
    The point of this clip is to show his sharp jab, along with his distance control using his footwork and spacial awareness. And also the nice technique of jabbing while pivoting to the left, and then moving laterally to offset Baers position.


    The punch tags him square on the left side of his head. And lands hard, forcing him backwards a step.
    Louis pushes the arm away after Braddock already connects to the head. Again, slow it down to .25 for a better look.

    He forces Joe Louis to the ropes, and throws a short three punch combo inside of Louis' guard.
    The view is partially obstructed by the ref, but you can see Braddock inside the guard unloading.
    This one is the hardest to see the punches, but it also shows Braddocks pressure abilities, his ability to work on the inside, and his grit, going toe to toe with Louis.

    These punches don't land clean, but they are effective on the guard, popping Baers head up while he looks momentarily dazed.
    It shows, like you said, a busy offense, and how his fast solid punches put fighters in a shell.


    I'm a bit disappointed with your analysis. To be fair, the footage quality makes any punch that isn't a head-snapping blow really hard to see. Filming a guy like Andre Ward with these cameras would be an absolute nightmare.
     
  4. reznick

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    I appreciate it man.
     
  5. klompton2

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    Sure it would, it would highlight his ineptitude. When you use a highlighter to highlight words does it only highlight the good words? No it works both ways. Its used to highlight the items the user wants to show. Thats why I think some of these reels are misleading. Braddock had heart, he was determined, he was tough but trying to showcase the "the skills" of a guy who typically threw arm punches, shuffled, moved around on two left feet, etc. is pretty deceptive frankly. And yes, I agree, you can take very selected snippets of Bothas career and make him look better than he was. Thats whats being done here. You cant tell me you cant string together a hell of a lot more footage of Braddock looking bad than good because I know better. So what is the purpose here? To take the little tidbits here and there where he did something right and pretend he always could and did fight to that level? Thats not dishonest? Why not give an actual accurate representation of his ability, which was limited?
     
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  6. Seamus

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    I'm disappointed you call that a highlight film. If a bunch of negated shots or sloppy busywork are all you can dig up perhaps it's best to move on to another topic. I understand that Braddock doesn't have a lot of footage surviving but what you have selected and sewn together does nothing to bolster his image as a technician. He is a busy and a bit sloppy of an operator.

    At :35 Louis spots Braddock readying to jab and touches Jimmy's left long before it gets near Louis. Please. Stepping back doesn't need to mean your hit or hurt. It more often means you are resetting.
     
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  7. reznick

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    You're thinking of it too much like a historian. And you are poorly drawing conclusions that are simply not true.
    This isn't an end all be all video on Braddocks career.
    It's simply a highlight video, showing his boxing skills.

    He had boxing skills. You don't get out of the amateurs without them.
    This video shows his particular skills. Whether or not he is worth paying attention to is not up to you. It's up to the people. And he seems to be doing something right, because 80 years later, thousands off people are still spending their valuable time watching him box.

    And again, you don't make a Boxing Skills video of Amir Khan, and show him getting knocked out. That would be a dumb video.
     
  8. reznick

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    The fact that you can't tell the difference between a voluntary back step, and being forced back by a punch, is alarming. Just look at his front leg. Since when do you move backwards with your front leg first?

    You should either be more open minded to explanations on things you may not understand, or you should stick to your surface level quips and basic analyses. To be frank, you're very unreliable at granular footage analysis.
     
  9. klompton2

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    Sorry Im thinking too much for your liking but you should try it sometime. Maybe then you wouldnt think that your "granular level film analysis" was some kind of super power only you posess. Coming from a kid who makes mickey mouse hl videos for his youtube channel, a kid who thinks that watching films in pretty colorized pastels makes it easier to see things he never could before, a kid who thinks that someday computers will be able to retelevise fights like Greb-Tunney from a single photograph, I take that as a compliment.

    Amir Khan spent a far less amount of his career knocked out than he did showing off his skills. Braddock spent the majority of his career, even winning, looking less than stellar, so essentially you are proving my point. You are taking snippets and painting Braddock as something he wasnt and yes thats dumb. At least we can agree on that.

    If I actually wanted to illustrate how braddock fought, and not highlight the little tidbits here and there where he did something right in some misguided slavish fanboy attempt at painting every boxer as a virtuoso, then it would be easy to do so. You actually had to go out of your way to find footage of Braddock looking talented. In fact, I'll challenge you to cobble together all of the clips that showcase how good you seem to think Braddock was and I'll cobble together every clip of him stumbling, shuffling, looking clueless and amateurish, winging arm punches, etc and we'll see whose video is longer without repeating any scenes. Care to wager any money on it? No? Didnt think so.

    So you really think you showcased his actual skillset and style or you wanna admit you might have given a skewed impression of the man?
     
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  10. reznick

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    I would win that bet. The problem is you would never admit it, because you are not good at analyzing boxing footage. You would call things that are not bad, bad. Andre Ward "wings" punches all the time, so what. Get over your unbalanced standards for older fighters.

    Of course I showcased his actual skill set, that's what the video is. And for the record, I had way more clips of his skills that didn't make the cut. For reasons such as the timing of the clip, the momentum of the action, etc. If you want to see even more footage of Braddocks skills, I recommend watching Hanzas videos on the Cinderella Man.
     
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  11. reznick

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    I just realized that this is the guy who made one video on Jack Dempsey. And chose to only showcase his fouls.

    Is this guy for real? Lol
     
  12. KuRuPT

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    I appreciate your work Rez, and it's nice to have you around these parts. What I will say is, you 100% COULD make a clip of Botha, and make him look like an ATG fighter. All it would take is, what you do with other fighters, show him landing a jab, or better yet, setting up a jab that lands. I'm sure he has a few of those. Showing him parry or dodge punches, I'm sure at some point, he has plenty of these. Show him landing power shots, and dropping guys, again, he has those. You could literally take a few seconds from each of his fights, and in isolation, he would look great. Understand what I'm saying? Again though, that doesn't mean you aren't doing a service around here, and we don't appreciate the time and effort that goes into it.
     
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  13. reznick

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    I understand what you're saying.
    And if Botha did all those things to the lineal Heavyweight champion, and then took his belt, those things would be worth taking a good look at, and in a sense celebrated, would they not?

    Braddock did better against Louis than Carnera, Sharkey, and Baer. He's not just mince meat.

    Also, many highlight videos exist for boxers who are less accomplished than Braddock. People love em.
    Nobody wants them to go away, or feels manipulated. This is a case of agenda ridden people living in their bubble, formulating skewed views that drastically underestimate the intelligence of the average person.

    There are some nice Glen Johnson highlights on youtube. Nobody interprets it as him being the goat.
     
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  14. reznick

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    And hey, if someone wants to make a Botha highlight, I'm not complaining...
     
  15. Cecil

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    Well I appreciate the vids Rez and I think even with my fairly limited knowledge compared with others on here I know that wasn't necessarily typical of Braddock's overall capabilities, just what he was capable of sometimes producing.
    I think the main thing about Braddock is despite his limited abilities he overcame great adversity and showed a spirit and determination to come back and climb to the very top.
    There was certainly nothing wrong with his heart and mental toughness not being afraid to take it to the two most murderous punchers of the era.
     
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