Great Pro's Even Better Amateur's

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  1. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We all know of great amateurs who for whatever reason couldn't translate their success to the pro's (Breland,Gonzalez,Reid etc),or guys with limited amateur careers who were great champions but what great pro's were even better amateur's?

    An obvious example that springs to mind is Kostya Tszyu who whilst imo a great pro fighter he was an awesome amateur with a record of something like 270-12.

    My knowledge of amateur boxing is very limited so any other examples you could give would be appreciated.
     
  2. ozziebattler

    ozziebattler Shadow Boxer Full Member

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    You hit the nail on the head with tszyu..Probably regarded as one of the greatest amateur boxers ever.Even without a olympic gold medal..

    I would probably say lennox lewis...

    He won world amateur title,olympic gold and commonwealth gold medals as amateur.

    Hard to beat that resume..And its hard for me to say that as im not a lewis fan..
     
  3. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's a very good example mate.
    With all that Lewis did in the pro's you tend to overlook his amateur credentials (the Bowe Olympic win excepted) which were fantastic.
     
  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ray Robinson 85-0 (69 KO's; 40 in the first round)
     
  5. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's an amazing record but I'd have thought Ray was still even better as a pro.After all he had a record of 130-1 as a professional as well at one point and that 1 was a loss he avenged multiple time versus La Motta.
     
  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He is as close as anyone IMO. No great pro ever had an even better amateur career period.
     
  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Harry Simon 271-2
    Juan Carlos Gomez 158-2
     
  8. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did these two achieve much at international level as amateurs?

    I only ask because you see some guys with brilliant amateur records which are dubious in the extreme.For example 90's Heavyweight plodder Courage Tshabala (?) when he was an up and comer boasted of a 70-1 amateur record with 70 first round KO's yet was as clumsy and unskilled a fighter as you'd see and must have amassed his record against drunks and hobo's.
     
  9. ozziebattler

    ozziebattler Shadow Boxer Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis comes close..

    OLYMPIC GOLD

    COMMONWEALTH GAMES GOLD

    EUROPEAN GOLD

    BRITISH CHAMP

    WORLD AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP WINNER TWICE.
     
  10. Sweet Science

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    De La Hoya had a better run as an amateur than he did as a professional.

    His record was an amazing 223-5 (163 KO's)

    I believe Oscar is the best candidate for this thread.
     
  11. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ray Leonard
    Muhammad Ali
     
  12. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    I disagree.

    I think Ali and Leonard both definitely had better Pro careers than amateur careers.

    De La Hoya fits the bill better.
     
  13. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Nino Benvenuti is also a good choice.
     
  14. ozziebattler

    ozziebattler Shadow Boxer Full Member

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    We are talking great pros...
     
  15. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Isn“t a HOF great?