Great technical fighters who struggles against slick movers/quicker fighters

Joe Louis. See Billy Conn, Bob Pastor and Joe Walcott.

 

I agree, but as you say, he was still a good fighter. The first Marshall fight was a bit early in Sonny's career. By the second fight, he WAS a destroyer! At least as far as Marty Marshall was concerned.

 

Carlos Ortiz seemed to struggle against Ismael Laguna

 

Dick Tiger

 

I think this is the reason he lost to Montell Griffen

 

Exactly....but you posted up first. (Angie Dundee was involved in the fight....and some guy named C.Clay may have been sparring with Pastrano).

Good overview of the Fight here:
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Harold_Johnson_vs._Willie_Pastrano
1963-06-01 : Willie Pastrano 174 lbs beat Harold Johnson 173½ lbs by SD in round 15 of 15

• Location: Convention Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
• Referee: Jimmy Olivas 69-68
• Judge: John Romero 68-69
• Judge: Harold Krause 69-67

• Unofficial AP scorecard: 70-69 Pastrano
• Unofficial UPI scorecard: 69-68 Johnson
• World Light Heavyweight Championship (2nd defense by Johnson)
• Fight Photo

 

Buddy McGirt had some problems with Pernell Whitaker and Meldrick Taylor despite being a very good technical fighter in his own right. Meldricks massive speed advantage did him in there and Pernell was just too sharp and slick for Buddy/

 

Felix Trinidad, maybe? Probably not as technically cute as some of the other guys suggested so far, but he rose to genuine pound for pound consideration between 1999 and 2001 despite his limited game and problems dealing with movement and defence.

A shot Whitaker, his legs totally gone, gave him big problems for about seven rounds; he huffed and puffed without ever looking like making serious dents in Oscar, even before Oscar got his track shoes on; he also struggled badly when Vargas, probably a little too immature and ballsy to be in there with Tito at that point, chose to box and looked pretty toothless between rounds three and perhaps eight, getting outboxed clearly.

Hindsight is always 20:20, but maybe it shouldn't have been that big a surprise when he eventually came unstuck and didn't get away with it against Hopkins. A couple of warning signs had been there. And then of course, Winky really rammed the point home a few years later, albeit Tito's own abilities were fading by then.

 

Chris Eubank (sr) - often looked an exceptional counter puncher against come forward fighters, but struggled with pretty average movers like Sherry and Schommer.

 

For the record, who didn't struggle against fast, talented boxers if matched evenly in size and age ? Did anyone feast on them ?

 

Liston was green when he lost a split dec to Marshall and he fought with a broken jaw. He beat the **** out of him in the 2nd fight ,and Marshall ran like a thief in the 3rd fight, not winning a round.
Whitehurst was knocked clean out of the ring in the 2nd Liston fight,he was in the process of trying to get back in when the final bell rang ,saving him from a ko.

 

This is the obvious response!

 

Jack Hurley, whether wearing his matchmaking hat or his managing hat, tried to stay away from what he called the runners and grabbers. He felt that they deserved their own medicine, i. e., they should be matched only against other fighters who fought like themselves. He figured that such a fight would be so boring that fans would start to jeer and force the runners to stop running and actually fight each. He claimed that, in his experience, this matchmaking strategy sometimes worked and those match-ups could turn into good fights. His theory was that matching a real fighter against a runner was unfair to the real fighter and boring to an audience.

His perfect world would have been to put runners into a separate category and and allow them to fight only each other. So there would be a fighting world champion and a separate running world champion.

 

Look at Ali. He had fits with Norton who followed Ali’s jab with his own. At 6’3” with an 80” reach, size,,speed and strength he was hell for Ali.