Lets discuss Arcel & Futch first, probably 1 & 2 on many lists. Arcel, from Benny Leonard to Roberto Duran, the man saw it all and worked with all styles. Futch, the list is endless, Arguello through to Bowe, from boxers to brawlers. Blackburn, surely the perfect team with Louis. Dundee, in a way fortunate to work with Ali & Leonard but impeccable with his advice in between rounds. When we look at the names on those guys C V 's it is incredible. Maybe their careers were partly bolstered by the enormous talent they had to work with but then again that cuts both ways and one wonders if some of those fighters would have achieved as much without those 4 in their corners......the answer must be no. So what does the future hold regarding anyone coming within shooting distance of those names. Of course this is to an extent dependant on the available raw materials to work with as much as anything. Perhaps we have simply lost their knowledge to history?
No we wont. The great trainers learned from great trainers. We all know who they are so no need to name them. Im from Phila and at one time this city alon had adleast 5 great trainers in the 80's. Its died out though. Theres a few great trainers left but I think the 80's saw our last great era of not just trainers but teachers.
I have Freddie Brown #1 as a trainer/teacher. Eddie Futch isn't far behind. I think there are still some great teachers around. Guys like Nazim Richardson learned from Bouie Fisher. Freddie Roach learned from Futch. Knowledge is to be passed on. Emanual Steward is another one that passed on to his protégé.
Trainers with good reputations get to train good fighters. The reason fighters are as good or bad as they are is determined by the fighters ability.
There is no good or bad trainer if hes doing his job..You guys think a trainer reputation is needed but its THE fighter that has to fight and be compatible with the trainer that makes the better fighter bc without a fluid attention to detail whats the purpose?. Someone KNOWN doesnt mean they will make you a champion..a trainer has to know his fighter and what hes doing...training/diet/limitations...etc.... The fighter also has to want to win MORE than the trainer.....I had a kid come up to me last year( HW) watching me..but when i wanted to turn the things up(Power) it didnt last long...he now trains with his Father( also pro HW) so good luck as his father doesnt listen well either....Point is you have to listen to good advice otherwise whats the point? as a matter of fact my martial art instructor stepped into the boxing room ( first time) and said how he would lose just lookin gat him LESS than a minute?...guess what happened his next fight in 1st rnd??? ultimatley great trainers will know the ACTUAL modern sport and see how to develope their fighter to the best of their ability...they arent magical wizards just common sense helps ALOT!
I don't buy this "death of the great trainer" story. I'd bet there are many, many great trainers out there. Men who have intuitive instincts for the sport and knowledge they've acquired though decades of experience, observations, and conversation. Weird how people usually only consider trainers "great" when their fighters are great.
You seem to somewhat miss my point. What im saying is a great teacher is there to teach mold and refine the fighter. Turning a stone into a Diamond. Theres not many of those guys left anymore of the caliber we had at one time
Trainers DONT turn stone into diamonds.....its ultimalty up to the fighter...again re read what i posted.Trainers arent magicians ...they have to work with SOMETHING.
Yea the talent has to be there of course but u need a teacher who knows his stuff to put the pieces together. Fighters dont just walk into a gym and become champions on there own. They have a teacher that shows them how to put there talent together into a complete package
