Greater Fighter: Floyd Mayweather or Juan Manuel Marquez?

I think you're being a tad harsh but I see your point. De La Hoya was still a decent fighter then, and he had a tendency earlier in his career to stop throwing when he fought slippery customers. So while he wasn't at his physical peak, I think Floyd had him wary and over-thinking every move. So there's two ways you can look at it.

That fight did show up Floyd's biggest weakness though ; that being his one-dimensional and almost powder puff offence on the front foot. He still throws staggered snappy single shots when upping the tempo, which don't have enough on them to close the show against fighters of De La Hoya's ilk or size. As a result it leaves alot of his fights without the climax that his all-round skills and performances probably deserve. As a fight fan you're left feeling a bit cold.

Leonard and Pacman, for example, have that ability to transition from their stock boxing mode and go into an effective and ruthless finishing one. While Floyd is still stuck on the pot shotting, albeit with a tad more aggression.

 

Floyd usually doesnt do overkill, he never uses anything he doesnt have to

 

No-one is top class in every fight and he did well to get a win to say how much was in Oscar's favour i.e Oscar's weight, Oscar's gloves.

 

Hatton no, Marquez yes.

Mayweather was a small welterweight when he made the step up and defeated the #1 ranked junior middleweight who outweighed him massively in the ring, it wasn't a prime De La Hoya but it was still a competitive version of him.

Hatton is another fight I give Mayweather full credit for, people say Hatton wasn't very good at 147 which I agree with due to his style not being much good against far bigger men in the ring, however Mayweather wasn't a far bigger man and was coming into the ring around that time the same weight as Junior welterweights, in fact without knowing their fight night weights I think it was likely that Hatton outweighed Mayweather in the ring for that one going off both their fights around the time.

He doesn't get any credit for the Marquez fight which I think is fair enough even though I think he just completely outboxed him rather than using his weight as a factor, there was an 8lb difference in weight on the night which I don't think is that major compared to other fights Mayweather has been in with the weight being in the oppositions favour but it was still a complete mismatch in terms of size and ability.

 

Why do you think Hatton wasn't as impressive at welterweight?

 

I know it was a stupid question, the point I'm trying to get to is that Hatton being poor against someone like Collazo who is a huge welterweight shows me that he can't compete against other huge welterweights as his bullying style isn't as effective.

Mayweather on the other hand was a small guy, to put into perspective how small he was when he fought Judah he weighed 1lb more in the ring than Pacquiao did against Marquez despite fighting at 3 weight divisions higher.

So the point I'm making (probably not that well) is that to discredit Mayweather's victory as "not a particularly impressive win" because Hatton wasn't as good at welterweight isn't a fair one when you consider Mayweather was more of a junior welterweights size in the ring.

 

slightly off topic but i feel the hatton that fought mayweather would beat Collazo alot more convincingly:thumbsup