Greater fighter: Kid Gavilan, Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Jose Napoles

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  1. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    3 of the best fighters to come out of Cuba known for their great mixture of boxing skills, defense, and aggression along with steady workrate and flashy combination punching. In terms of resume and H2H ability who would you say was the best out of the bunch?
     
  2. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Based on resume/achievement, I'd probably rank them,
    1. Gavilan
    2. Rodriguez
    3. Napoles

    H2h, I think,
    1. Gavilan's jab & long range boxing gives him the edge over Napoles,
    2. Rodriguez's inside smothering tactics may give him the edge over Gavilan,
    3. Napoles' short range/inside counterpunching gives him the edge over Rodriguez.
     
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  3. Flo_Raiden

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    Basically how I see it as well. I think Rodriguez and Napoles are interchangeable in the resume department but perhaps Napoles might have a better case given how much more dominant he was beating Griffith and Cokes without losing to them.

    H2H I've always thought the same thing as well in a stylistic match up between all of them. Gavilan I think would best Napoles due to his size and speed advantage while Napoles would get the better of Rodriguez with his sharper offense. Rodriguez could very likely outpoint Gavilan due to his quicker footwork and inside fighting.

    A trio of ATGs from Cuba with great styles and skills.
     
  4. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wonder why Nàpoles and Rodriguez didn't fought,both were in the same era, different weight division perhaps?
     
  5. Flo_Raiden

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    They were weight divisions apart by the time Napoles became WW champ after beating Cokes (the guy who beat Rodriguez years prior). Rodriguez was fighting at MW when Napoles started his reign at WW.

    I’m surprised that Rodriguez didn’t get a shot at Dick Tiger or Carlos Monzon.
     
  6. Greg Price99

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    Napoles
    Gavilan
    LMR

    imo.

    I have Napoles #3 all time at WW. His work there is very impressive, even moreso from a p4p perspective when you consider he was a natural LWW in his prime years.
     
  7. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bump.

    Kid Gavilan
    Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    Jose Napoles

    Napoles was the smaller man than Rodriguez going into middleweight and arguably faced better opposition with more dominance,but Rodriguez also almost beat Nino Benvenuti if not for the left hook,plus Rodriguez arguably should've won the quadrilogy vs Griffith and he also stopped plenty of middleweight contenders.

    Still quite interchangeable tho.
     
  8. Stevie G

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    I would put Gerardo on top of the list. I'm in the process of making up my mind as to who the silver and bronze would go to out of Jose and Luis.
     
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  9. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, it's hard to compare both Napoles and Rodriguez's resume,one dominated his weightclass but flipped on bigger weightclasses,while the other never dominated any weightclasses fully but become a dangerous force for all weightclasses he fought.
     
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  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Johnson Wrench Enjoyer Full Member

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    I still have not watched any Kid Gavilan, just don't feel like it but Luis and Napoles are immaculate fighters H2H Napoles > Luis he's the best of the best.
     
  11. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Watch the Basilio and Turner fights,and you'll tell how he beats Napoles.