Greater fighter: Vasyl Lomachenko or Roman González

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Greater fighter

  1. Lomachenko

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  2. Chocolatito

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  1. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Chocolatito comfortably. Deeper resume, more accomplished, and had long, distinguished title runs. His only real loss was when he got sparked by Rungvisai, but Runvisai has slabs of concrete for fists, so it only detracts as much as getting beat up by Beterbiev detracts from any of his opponents legacies, and Choc won the first fight against SSR. I refuse to believe Estrada deserved the nod in either of the fights he won as well. Choc is the better fighter.
     
  2. Russell

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  3. Scotty Cork

    Scotty Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lomachenko is more skilled
     
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  4. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Gonzalez. Estrada is far and away the best name between those 2. Sure, you can argue he was green in their first fight, but he proceeded to go on a rampage immediately after his loss to Chocolotatito, beating the superb Brian Viloria right after that fight. Rigo on the other hand never beat any prime elite fighter ever again and was moved up 2 entire divisions, and he is not on Estrada's level anyway.

    I also don't see the likes of Linares, Walters, Martinez, Kambosos and Russell as a superior group to Edgar Sosa, Viloria, Yaegashi, Yafai and Cuadras. I'd assume most would disagree, but most people don't know **** about Flyweights.

    Gonzalez also won titles in more divisions, and he campaigned at them for longer, beating more top rated fighters than Loma did. The only division in which Loma rivals Gonzalez in that regard is in his Lightweight run, but Roman's campaign at Flyweight still tops that.

    Chocolatito is arguably the greatest fighter since Floyd and Pacquiao, I'm not about to put Loma over him because he is the talk of the town now.
     
  5. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Choco still hasn't been given the proper credit for his comeback, dethroning Yafai and then - for most people's money - edging out Estrada.

    I do like Loma but Roman is ahead here.
     
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  6. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Close one.. but Loma for me.. Gonzalez is Brilliant too but Chenko is a fkin artist.. i think when you're as tiny as Gonzalez your resume can seem deeper as you have so many divisions to move though.. i mean hes fought from 105 to 115 .. 10lbs.. but thats seen him move through 4 divisions.. just 10lbs LOL.. they both have a very good late career surge .. Haney, Kambosos, Ortiz etc.. Estrada, Martinez, Yafai etc but imo Loma has looked slightly more impressive.. they won the Haney & Estrada fights.. but Loma imo dominated Haney..
     
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Interesting topic let me think about it more and get back to it.
     
  8. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Something most people don't take into consideration about Gonzalez's career is that, he never had a big promoter behind him. Unlike Lomachenko, who from the get-go had Top Rank to help him raise his profile and secure big noteworthy fights to solidify his legacy. You can argue Roman had Teiken promotions for his fights in Japan, but Teiken has mostly been a regional power in terms of boxing influence in East Asia, and not the same power house as Top Rank on the global stage.

    If Roman had a Top Rank or Matchroom early in his career. In his days at light flyweight and flyweight. He mostly definitely would have fought the likes of Segura, Nietes, Ioka, Ruenroeng and beaten those guys. He certainly would have become an undisputed champion if he had a big time promoter on his side in his prime.
     
  9. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For sure. What people don't like to bring up are some of the shadier parts of Loma's management, because it's inconvenient for the pro Loma agenda. They don't bring up how he got paid in 6 fights between his official pro debut and his last amateur bout, which by all accounts means he should have been 8-1 when he got to Russell, so he is now tied with Muangsurin as the guy that became champ with the least amount of fights, since Arum wanted to make him appear as the chosen one. Russell wasn't even ranked as a top 10 fighter at the poundage, neither by The Ring nor by the TBRB. Arum managed to secure a bout between 2 unranked fighters for a vacant title and people just eat it up.

    Russell ended up being a very solid fighter and the win aged very well, and is still among Loma's best for that reason, I'm not denying any of that. But the method of obtaining the title is no less underhanded than Haney winning it via e-mail. Imagine the things Gonzalez would have achieved if he had access to such deus ex machinas.
     
  10. Aizen

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    If we going by pro career alone, I'd say Chocolatito.
     
  11. drenlou

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    And it's still Loma. :deal:
     
  12. vast

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    Loma and it’s not close. Significant difference in skill level favoring Loma. Gonzalez stepped up and got hammered. Loma stepped up and became unified lightweight champion.
     
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  13. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    People are forgetting no one at Lomas natural weight was competitive with him. He essentially no mas’d them all.

    To find competition, he’s had to fight huge guys like Haney and Teo who rehydrate 160lbs+.
     
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  14. Zhuge Liang

    Zhuge Liang Active Member Full Member

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    Loma.

    Simply because he reached the peak of both boxing worlds. Amateur & Pro.

    And let's call a spade a spade here, Loma's pro career looks less ilustrious because he never went undisputed due to lack opportunities to fight top fighters in his natural weight class. Loma went up to lightweight from his natural & best weight class because no champion of other organization want to fight him. One of them was too scared to face him on his prime days and have been waiting him to get old in next ten years. One of them was too scared and chose to have his both belts stripped rather than facing him on unification bout. Loma only has fought 21 bouts in his pro career compare to Gonzalez's 55. But 13 of those 21 are world champions.
     
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  15. Goran_

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    This.