Greater fighter Vlad or Liston?

Ali is the GOAT, ma man.

 

He's not the consensus number one. It's between him and Louis. If he beat Holmes and won the title the fourth time, he would very likely be unanimously considered the GOAT. So using your logic, that would make the Holmes bout his biggest correct?

 

Fun fact: Joe Louis was favored to beat Marciano.

You’re comparing apples and oranges.

 

It’s nitpicking but to me Golota’s biggest fight was Bowe 2 coming after the Garden Riot. That bout got huge attention. After he got Dq’d a second time failing to win a big fight he was tarnished a little. And the Bowe rematch took a little out of him.

 

Maybe, but Bowe was shot in hindsight, sort of like Holyfield against Ruiz. And it wasn’t for the title.

 

It's not apples and oranges. You're just not smart enough to understand my analogy.

Your position is that because Louis-Marciano was Louis's biggest fight because he'd be considered the GOAT if he beat Marciano.

Ali would also undoubtedly be the goat if he beat Holmes, so wouldn't that be his biggest fight under your logic?

Also it's not necessarily certain that Louis would've been the GOAT if he'd beaten Marciano. At the very least, Marciano's biggest achievement would've been erased with a loss, taking away much of his legacy.

It's possible this loss would set him back, and he never even makes it to the championship and he goes down in history as a might've been. So I doubt a win over Marciano does the wonders for Louis that you think it does.

At least Holmes was champion when Ali faced him. So if Ali beats him he regains the title for a record fourth time, making him the undisputed heavyweight GOAT.

In other words, Ali had a lot more to gain by beating Holmes than Louis did by beating Marciano, which by your logic makes Ali-Holmes a bigger fight correct?

Also I'm still waiting to see the list where Ali-Liston II is put forth as an example of Liston's biggest fight.

 

Neither was Marciano-Louis you ****ing clown

 

At least he admits it.

 

Louis—Marciano had attendance of over 17k and Louis was favored to win. It was a big fight.

Im not going to complete your research projects, for free, while I’m at work.

 

So now that attendance is a big criteria for your evaluations, can you now confirm Ali-Liston II wasn’t Liston’s biggest fight based on the attendance of just over 2K?

Or are you going to troll and change the goalposts more?

 

Vitali

 

Liston beat top contenders and the lineal champion. Did Vitaly beat anyone top 5?

 

Yes, several. Did Liston make two successful title defenses?

 

It's almost as if they scrambled to find a last minute venue for the rematch because they knew the closed circuit money would be huge. It's almost as if the fight was so big that they were better off w a small venue rather than cancelling because there would be so much closed circuit money. Wow, if true.

Fun fact: The Boston Garden has a capacity of 19.5k.

 

Yeah that's not what happened. At all.

You literally just made it up.
"The new date was set for May 25, 1965. But as it approached, Liston was involved in yet another arrest and there were fears that the promoters were tied to organized crime. Massachusetts officials, most notably Suffolk County District Attorney Garrett H Bryne, began to have second thoughts. Byrne sought an injunction blocking the fight in Boston because Inter-Continental Promotions was promoting the fight without a Massachusetts license. Inter-Continental said local veteran Sam Silverman was the promoter. On May 7, backers of the rematch ended the court battle by pulling the fight out of Boston.

Lewiston, Maine
The Androscoggin Bank Colisée, in Lewiston, Maine
The promoters needed a new location quickly, whatever the size, to rescue their closed circuit television commitment around the country. Governor John H Reed of Maine stepped forward, and within a few hours, the promoters had a new site: Lewiston Maine a mill town with a population of about 41,000 located 140 miles (230 km) north of Boston. Inter-Continental obtained a permit and made an arrangement to work with local promoter Sam Michael. The venue selected was the Central Maine Youth Center a Junior Hockey rink. Lewiston was the smallest city to host a heavyweight title bout since Dempsey fought Tom Gibbons in Shelby Montana (population 3,000) in 1923. It remains the only heavyweight title fight held in the state of Maine."

The fight wasn't held in The Boston Garden though was it?