Greater Resume: Floyd or Canzoneri?

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Greater Resume?

  1. Decemberclimate?

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  2. Canzoneri?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Whose is greater? Simple question, who beat better fighters at the time they beat them? For an idea of what you're dealing with:

    Floyd's got a record of 23-0 against them ranked fighters, and 24-0 against guys who won the title at some point in their career. He won titles from 130 to 154, and all between over a 20 year period, with his 10 best wins imo, in chronological order being:

    Diego Corrales
    Jose Luis Castillo 2
    Oscar De La Hoya
    Ricky Hatton
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Shane Mosely
    Miguel Cotto
    Canelo Alverez
    Marcos Maidana 2
    Manny Pacquiao

    Floyd is either the greatest or second greatest fighter this century, and set a new bar as the chief earner in boxing. In an era where fights get postponed, set back for months and the best in the world only fight twice a year, Mayweather has created an incredible legacy for himself, in an environment that seems to want to prevent fighters from doing so.

    On the other hand, you have Tony Canzoneri.

    Canz' record against ranked contenders (by my estimation) stands at 54-14-1, and he won titles at 126, 135 and 140 in an absolute shark tank of an era. He was the second 3 weight world champion, and very nearly the first 4 weight champion. Had He weighed 2lbs less in one fight, he'd have been the first, as well as matching Hank's record of being champion in 3 divisions simultaneously. He accomplished all of this in a short, 14 year career. His own top 10 wins imo, looks like this:

    - Bud Taylor
    - Johnny Dundee
    - Jack Kid Berg
    - Kid Chocolate
    - Billy Petrolle
    - Baby Arizmendi
    - Lou Ambers
    - Jimmy McLarnin
    - Frankie Klick
    - Benny Bass

    So, in your opinion? Who beat the better fighters, at the time they fought them?
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Floyd's 23 Fights Against Ring Ranked fighters:

    - Genaro Hernandez
    - Angel Manfredy
    - Diego Corrales
    - Jesus Chavez
    - Jose Luis Castillo
    - Jose Luis Castillo
    - Victoria Sosa
    - Demarcus Corley
    - Sharmba Mitchell
    - Arturo Gatti
    - Zab Judah
    - Carlos Manuel Baldomir
    - Oscar De La Hoya
    - Ricky Hatton
    - Juan Manuel Marquez
    - Shane Mosley
    - Victor Ortiz
    - Miguel Cotto
    - Robert Guerrero
    - Saul Alverez
    - Marcos Maidana
    - Marcos Maidana
    - Manny Pacquiao

    Canzoneri vs Ranked Fighters:

    Johnny Green
    Bushy Graham
    Andre Routis
    Archie Bell
    Tommy Milton
    Bud Taylor
    Bud Taylor (L)
    Johnny Dundee
    Ignacio Fernandez
    Ignacio Fernandez
    Benney Bass
    Pete Nebo
    Al Singer (D)
    Chick Suggs
    Cecil Payne
    Sammy Dorfman
    Joey Sangor
    Ignacio Fernandez
    Phil McGraw
    Sammy Mendell (L)
    Eddie Mack
    Stanislaus Loyza
    Johnny Farr
    Jack Kid Berg (L)
    Stanislaus Loyza
    Johnny Farr
    Joe Glick
    Tommy Grogan
    Berney Bass
    Billy Petrolle (L)
    Al Singer
    Johnny Farr
    Sammy Fuller (L)
    Jack Kid Berg
    Cecil Payne
    Jack Kid Berg
    Kid Chocolate
    Johnny Jadick
    Lew Massey
    Battling Gizzy
    Johnny Jadick (L)
    Billy Petrolle
    Battling Shaw
    Wesley Ramey (L)
    Frankie Klick
    Cecil Payne
    Kid Chocolate
    Cleto Locatelli
    Cleto Locatelli
    Baby Arizmendi
    Frankie Klick
    Harry Dublinsky
    Harry Dublinsky (L)
    Leo Rodak
    Lou Ambers
    Barney Ross (L)
    Barney Ross (L)
    Frankie Klick
    Frankie Klick
    Joe Ghounly
    Bobby Pacho
    Jimmy McLarnin
    Jimmy McLarnin (L)
    Lou Ambers (L)
    Lou Ambers (L)
    Bobby Pacho
    Bummy Davis (L)

    54-14-1
     
  3. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see what you're doing. -:)
     
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  5. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Man, whoever came up with Decemberclimate ? I've got to shake the hand of whoever came up with it.
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I don't even know how we got cemberclimated in the first place, let alone needing to undo it.
     
  8. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canzernori has the better win resume, but I factor both wins and losses into my all time p4p rankings, where I have Mayweather higher, albeit not by much.
     
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