Who did Mosley beat at lightweight to rate him so high? Grigorian was never even ranked higher than 7 in the yearly Ring ratings ,the best fighter he faced Freitas beat him.To rank him higher than: Oritz,Williams,Brown,Duran,is patently absurd!
Looks like I've made an error, there. Not many fights at all. Because I don't usually rank the newer divisions, I had clumped him in with the lightweights, which I should not have done. Good point.
I'd personally have Whitaker on the podium along with Duran and Leonard, rather than Gans. But as that puts me outside the consensus, I'll say: Whitaker, Williams, Canzoneri.
I like Mosley and am always happy to see others rate him highly. I think he should have stayed at lightweight and beasted it. He may have achived top 10 ATG. However, as he didn't, I have him just inside the top 20 at LW. Top 15 may be argued at a real push.
Just out of interest, how do you guys see a prime LW Mosley faring against Packey MacFarland or Beau Jack? Going back to the old skool!
How do you account for Grigorian never being ranked above 7 in the RING? You are saying half of Grigorian's defences were against world class challengers, please name 6 of them?
Just looked at Grigorian's record in title defences,they are as follows. 2003 Zegan never ranked by the Ring in any year. 2002 Zoff Unranked was ranked no 10 in1999 .3 years earlier 2002 Martinez never ranked 2001 Rios never ranked 2001 Perez never ranked 2000 Unranked was no9 in 2008. 2 years earlier 2000 Kalocsai never ranked 2000 Casamonica never ranked 1999 Galli never ranked 1999 Clark never ranked 1999 Cano never ranked 1998 Campanella never ranked 1998 Rudolph never ranked 1997 Armstrong never ranked 1997 Balbi Unranked was no8 in 2002 5 years later. & no 4 in 2001. 4 years later 1996 Jakubowski never ranked That's 16 successful title defences, 13 against challengers that were never ranked in the top 10 by the Ring the remaining 3 were not ranked within 2 years of their title challenges,none of the 4 were ever ranked in the top 3. To my mind that is absolutely disgraceful! How can you justify including Grigorian in the company of Whitaker,Brown,Ortiz,Aruguello,Ross,Canzoneri etc it's totally baffling and unjustified!
Not only were all of his defences against unranked opponents ,only 4 were ever ranked! And, not within 2 years of fighting him! Q Why didn't he fight:? Nazarov Mosley Spadafora Holiday Johnston Manfredy Castillo Mayweather Lazcano Corrales Casamayor Mendy Cardona Dunne Leija Holiday Bazan Dorin A,He was a protected WBO Cheese Champ! Most experts? Name one expert who ranks Grigorian in the top ten All Time Light weight list? I'll give you 24 off the top of my head that are better! Whitaker Ambers Williams Brown Ortiz Buchanan Mayweather Castillo Leonard Gans Duran Jack Montgomery Ross Arguello Marquez Corrales Armstrong DeJesus Chavez Laguna Carter Mandell Canzoneri
No they weren't ranked by the Ring. Grigorian had his last fight on11th September 2004! He has since fought in2009 You are making excuses why he never fought a ranked fighter ,there is no excuse for that! He could have fought: Spadafora in 1999 when Spadafora was no3 and he was no8 2000 when Spadafora was no3 and he was no 7 2001 when Spadafora was 3 and he was 7 2002 the same 3 & 7. 4 years opportunity. Johnston was ranked for 9 years! Grigorian could have faced him when both were ranked in: 97 Johnston 3 he was 9 98Johnston 4 he was unranked 99Johnston 1 he was 8 2000 Johnston was 2 he was 7 2001 Johnston was 2 he was 7 2002 Johnston was 2 he was 7 2003 Johnston was 4 he was 8 Robinson 96 Robinson was no 8 he was 10 97 Robinson was unranked he was 9 98 Robinson was 7 he was unranked 99 Robinson was unranked he was 8 Lazcano 2002 number 5 Grigorian 8 2003 number 1 Grigorian 8 2004 number 3 Grigorian number 8 Castillo Champ from 2000 -2004! Grigorian never defended his cheese title against a rated fighter and yet you have him as an ALL TIME GREAT LIGHTWEIGHT! Its absurd!