Greatest 3 Lightweights outside the 'Big 3'

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Who did Mosley beat at lightweight to rate him so high? Grigorian was never even ranked higher than 7 in the yearly Ring ratings ,the best fighter he faced Freitas beat him.To rank him higher than:
    Oritz,Williams,Brown,Duran,is patently absurd!
     
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  2. Gudetama

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    Looks like I've made an error, there. Not many fights at all. Because I don't usually rank the newer divisions, I had clumped him in with the lightweights, which I should not have done. Good point.
     
  3. 88Chris05

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    I'd personally have Whitaker on the podium along with Duran and Leonard, rather than Gans. But as that puts me outside the consensus, I'll say: Whitaker, Williams, Canzoneri.
     
  4. Gudetama

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    I like Mosley and am always happy to see others rate him highly. I think he should have stayed at lightweight and beasted it. He may have achived top 10 ATG. However, as he didn't, I have him just inside the top 20 at LW. Top 15 may be argued at a real push.
     
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  5. Gudetama

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    Just out of interest, how do you guys see a prime LW Mosley faring against Packey MacFarland or Beau Jack? Going back to the old skool!
     
  6. mcvey

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    How do you account for Grigorian never being ranked above 7 in the RING? You are saying half of Grigorian's defences were against world class challengers, please name 6 of them?
     
  7. McGrain

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    Whitaker, Ortiz, Williams.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Just looked at Grigorian's record in title defences,they are as follows.
    2003 Zegan never ranked by the Ring in any year.
    2002 Zoff Unranked was ranked no 10 in1999 .3 years earlier
    2002 Martinez never ranked
    2001 Rios never ranked
    2001 Perez never ranked
    2000 Unranked was no9 in 2008. 2 years earlier
    2000 Kalocsai never ranked
    2000 Casamonica never ranked
    1999 Galli never ranked
    1999 Clark never ranked
    1999 Cano never ranked
    1998 Campanella never ranked
    1998 Rudolph never ranked
    1997 Armstrong never ranked
    1997 Balbi Unranked was no8 in 2002 5 years later. & no 4 in 2001. 4 years later
    1996 Jakubowski never ranked

    That's 16 successful title defences, 13 against challengers that were never ranked in the top 10 by the Ring the remaining 3 were not ranked within 2 years of their title challenges,none of the 4 were ever ranked in the top 3.

    To my mind that is absolutely disgraceful!
    How can you justify including Grigorian in the company of Whitaker,Brown,Ortiz,Aruguello,Ross,Canzoneri etc it's totally baffling and unjustified!
     
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  9. mcvey

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    Not only were all of his defences against unranked opponents ,only 4 were ever ranked! And, not within 2 years of fighting him!

    Q Why didn't he fight:?
    Nazarov
    Mosley
    Spadafora
    Holiday
    Johnston
    Manfredy
    Castillo
    Mayweather
    Lazcano
    Corrales
    Casamayor
    Mendy
    Cardona
    Dunne
    Leija
    Holiday
    Bazan
    Dorin



    A,He was a protected WBO Cheese Champ!
    Most experts? Name one expert who ranks Grigorian in the top ten All Time Light weight list?
    I'll give you 24 off the top of my head that are better!
    Whitaker
    Ambers
    Williams
    Brown
    Ortiz
    Buchanan
    Mayweather
    Castillo
    Leonard
    Gans
    Duran
    Jack
    Montgomery
    Ross
    Arguello
    Marquez
    Corrales
    Armstrong
    DeJesus
    Chavez
    Laguna
    Carter
    Mandell
    Canzoneri
     
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  10. Contro

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    Mosely was a great fighter. Not sure how long he could have kept making the 135 weight limit
     
  11. mcvey

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    No they weren't ranked by the Ring.
    Grigorian had his last fight on11th September 2004! He has since fought in2009

    You are making excuses why he never fought a ranked fighter ,there is no excuse for that!
    He could have fought:
    Spadafora in
    1999 when Spadafora was no3 and he was no8
    2000 when Spadafora was no3 and he was no 7
    2001 when Spadafora was 3 and he was 7
    2002 the same 3 & 7.
    4 years opportunity.
    Johnston was ranked for 9 years!
    Grigorian could have faced him when both were ranked in:
    97 Johnston 3 he was 9
    98Johnston 4 he was unranked
    99Johnston 1 he was 8
    2000 Johnston was 2 he was 7
    2001 Johnston was 2 he was 7
    2002 Johnston was 2 he was 7
    2003 Johnston was 4 he was 8

    Robinson
    96 Robinson was no 8 he was 10
    97 Robinson was unranked he was 9
    98 Robinson was 7 he was unranked
    99 Robinson was unranked he was 8

    Lazcano
    2002 number 5 Grigorian 8
    2003 number 1 Grigorian 8
    2004 number 3 Grigorian number 8

    Castillo
    Champ from 2000 -2004!

    Grigorian never defended his cheese title against a rated fighter and yet you have him as an ALL TIME GREAT LIGHTWEIGHT! Its absurd!
     
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    Ike williams vs shane mosley
     
  13. Ronnie Raygun

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    Whitaker vs williams ?
     
  14. Ronnie Raygun

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    Duran
    Williams
    Armstrong
    Leonard
    Ortiz
     
  15. mcvey

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    You are an illiterate fool. Grigorian fought Freitas in 2004! you muppet!