Greatest Boxers by Weightclass

First, Charles is the clear #1 at LHW. The only fighter who could possibly rate higher H2H would be Foster, but Foster accomplished far, far less than Charles at the weight. Basically the same with Jofre at Bantam, although Olivares is closer to Jofre than Foster is to Charles.

Second, Monzon would certainly beat Hagler, quite honestly he's the only middleweight I feel would beat Hagler comfortably. Monzon is not the type of fighter like RJJ or SRL, he wasn't a flashy fighter, but he was as effective as anyone else. An absolutely brilliant fighter, arguably the greatest ring general of all-time. He'd control Hagler, keep him at bay with his massive reach and thudding jab and rights, tie up Marvin when he got close, then push him off and do the same.

Lastly, greatest isn't necessarily best H2H, it is much more accomplishments. Monzon beats Hagler, but apart from this he was clearly the more accomplished fighter, there is no debating it. Greb is the only one who can be argued over Monzon IMO, but the majority of his best wins were above 160.

 

Winky beat a blown up lightweight twice, and who else? McKart. Trinidad was at 160, and Wright lost to Vargas (no contraversy), Simon, and early on to Vasquez.

Hearns, apart from Duran, easily outpointed Wilfred Benitez, and Benitez and Duran were the highest rated fighters at the weight, although Duran himself was a blown up lightweight.

McCallum is the clear #1. He beat Donald Curry, Julian Jackson, Ayub Kalule, Milton McCrory, and solid fighters like David Braxton and Luigi Minchillo. His resume is clearly the best at the weight. Also, he would very likely have beaten anyone else in the division's history.

 

Who fought more bums means little considering that McCallum's best wins at the weight far outrank Winky's.

Winky has Mosley, McKart, and you could say Robert Frazier as a top level win at 154. He has no one else.

McCallum knocked out an unbeaten current hall-of-famer in 2 rounds at 154, and also knocked out a man(Curry) who will more than likely get in the HOF. Curry was every bit as good as Mosley, look how that fight played out.

 

H2H I think their the clear top 2, but I would favor McCallum. Mike is one of the most underrated fighters of the past generation. First, his chin was absolute granite. Never stopped in his career, took the bombs that Julian Jackson could throw, when he was clearly past his best arguably beat a prime James Toney at 160 in a fight declared a draw, and then way, way, way past his prime went all 12 rounds with prime Roy Jones and then Toney again in his final two fights. He was also a brilliant technician, his boxing IQ once he reached his peak was pretty much as high as they come, and lastly there is a reason why they called him "The Bodysnatcher," he was a sensational bodypuncher, therefore would more than likely stops Hearns late. I pick McCallum over anyone at the weight.

 

What load of horse****. Everyone has non-title fights to stay in shape, and he beat enough top fighters as it was. What a meaningless criticism.

 

154 should be hearns.

130, i would put floyd, but arguello has a good case.

168, Joe has to take it. Was a unified champ, and 10 years champ. I will give Roy the edge though if he beats Joe(even if the fight is at 175).

108: Gonzalez over carbajal, but both have a good case.

135: Benny Leonard over Hands of stone.

The rest is good.

 

Neither of these two have much case for the top spot at 108 when compared to the likes of Chang, Zapata, Gushiken, Yuh, etc.

 

Are you joking??! Mike McCallum stopped Julian Jackson in 2 rounds, stopped Donald Curry, and beat Milton McCrory at 154. The only decent fighter Winky Wright beat was Shane Mosley, but Mosley was a natural lightweight fighting 19lbs above that. Wright lost to Harry Simon(?), Julio Cesar Vasquez and Fernando Vargas at 154. McCallum beat far better fighters at 154 and was a better fighter pound-for-pound than Wright.

 

Why are you still arguing if you already conceded the point?

The fact that he fought a few bums to stay in fighting shape shouldn't detract from his record at all, especially if he fought and proved himself against he elites as often as he did. Were those the types of opponents he were routinely facing for title fights, you'd have a point. As it is, you don't, nor did you ever.