Greatest British Boxer Ever

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  1. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    No it just means...:lol:
     
    WhataRock, Dec 20, 2009
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  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  3. GregDempsey

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  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In my book it's Randy Turpin,Ken Buchanan or Lennox Lewis.
     
    Stevie G, Dec 21, 2009
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well he's not a genuine pick I suppose, but he definitely is interesting. Supposedly unbeaten throughout the death of the bare-knuckle era he came to the states as the #1 British LW and gave Jack MacAuliffe maybe his toughest fight. He straddled the bare-knuckle and then gloved eras arguably unlike anyone other than the great Sullivan and was considered a top contender into his forties. His Boxrec record is absolutley ****ed, they list losses suffered by two entirely different fighters including a light-heavy.
     
    McGrain, Dec 21, 2009
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Any, Fitzsimmons is the boring answer. Wilde has come under serious scrutiny on this board and I think has been found rather wanting. He's great, but the single vote doesn't surprise me. Buchanan is arguably the most talented fighter in British history, but he doesn't have anything like the depth or width to be voted #1. Lewis is a not unreasonable shout IMO,
     
    McGrain, Dec 21, 2009
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  7. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think we can all at least agree about Winstone having no snap at all in the jab at least.
     
    Mantequilla, Dec 21, 2009
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  8. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    A prime Ismael Laguna is better than anybody Calzaghe ever fought. The main reason he's on this list is he fought everybody he could in a time when the lightweight division was stacked with names like Laguna, Navarro, Hernandez, Duran, Ortiz (albeit past prime), Watt and a bigger guy in Paduano. Not hating on Calzaghe I just think hes outside top ten, no shame considering the names up there. Owen Moran is around top ten as well, I just didnt have enough options and you cant keep everybody happy, could you imagine the backlash I would have got for leaving Ken out?
     
    essexboy, Dec 23, 2009
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  9. essexboy

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    It seems Lennox Lewis is the greatest British boxer ever then according to this poll, interesting....:think
     
    essexboy, Dec 23, 2009
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  10. janitor

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    Entirely the wrong kind of scrutiny in my opinion.

    Scrutiny based on the fact that most flyweight records of the era have been lost, even at world level.

    Criticism based on this absence of information is inherantly likley to be eroneous.

    In fact people who judge Wilde's resume on this are positively asking to be wrong.
     
    janitor, Dec 23, 2009
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  11. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilde is really just a bit too unknown and tough to gauge, all said.At least in relation to a lot of the others.
     
    Mantequilla, Dec 23, 2009
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that Wilde fought a higher standard of fighter than Boxrec would indicate, but it's also unfair to say that because we know less about Wilde's competition than T.Lewis's he should rank higher. The potential world-beaters that Wilde laid low have still yet to emerge.
     
    McGrain, Dec 23, 2009
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  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    When you really don't have a practical career record, perhaps contemporary opinion should carry more weight?
     
    janitor, Dec 23, 2009
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  14. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Got any analysis on the Buchanan/winstone jabs McGrain?..good points or bad.I've read on another thread recently about the poor use of the jab in buchanan laguna and among other **** comments on the trusty jab, it's mildy irritating me.I need my faith in esb restored.;)
     
    Mantequilla, Dec 23, 2009
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Not for me, i think contemporary opinion should be weighed in the normal way. I'll use MacAullife as a benchmark because he's in a similar boat. When I was reading contemporary reports of MacAuliffe and his foes the pedigree of those opponents and the esteem in which they were often (not always) held really struck me. The same hasn't been true of Wilde (So far). In addition, other members of the board are doing similar for Wilde. Most have come back with a similar view. You see it differently?
     
    McGrain, Dec 23, 2009
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