Greatest Contenders - Heavyweights

He was rated by the NBA. The only official governing body of that time.

perhaps if we had every month Ring ratings Paul might show up on there too.

 

I've blown your ship completely out of the water ,if you can't admit it then WTF do I care?

 

I admit that you are entitled to believe only incomplete boxrec records and ring annual ratings whilst choosing not to regard the NBA ratings or various articles that state over 100 wins for paul cavalier. It is your right to do so.

 

Maybe I would be better off not saying anything about this disagreement, but why would there be so many fights which have fallen through the cracks? Wouldn't they be obscure fights against obscure fighters out in the boondocks?

 

I found facts that directly contradict that article you posted, you ignored them.
WTF does anyone even bother with you?

 

Yes. Undoubtedly they would be worthless bouts of little importance since Paul could not get big fights. It is said he was too good for his own good, but we can never tell in the absence of more fights against better fighters. Still, the guy was officially rated by the NBA and regarded as legit within boxing circles.. I am not giving him a bye on that alone. Just think he is worth noting and not disregarding completely out of hand when he could beat Braddock and Galento.

 

There are so many untruths in that piece it's just a joke,like the guy who posted it,not to be taken seriously.
Box Rec has his record at 44-6-3= total 53 fights
Cavalier claimed 117-2-1= total 120 fights
So there are 67 fights missing?LOL !
Then we have the confirmed 6 losses when he claims only 2 defeats?
Choklab cites Cavalier beating a 21 years old Galento and a 20 years old 162lbs Braddock as proof of his quality.He ignores the losses that he claims were wins and blithely carries on repeating total rubbish from a fan piece.
I have found just 2 instances when Cavalier sparred with Louis ,1 was a 1 rounder the other 6, 1 minute rounds.He claims Louis had great respect for Cavalier ,yet his name is not mentioned in Louis' autobiography, nor is there a primary source for the Tunney quote.
"Cavalier could not get big fights? "
When did he ever merit one? What win entitled him to a big fight?
Cavalier retired in1936,Louis did not win the title till 1937 yet its claimed he was a chief sparring partner for Joe for 3 years?
Its BS ,local Fan Boy puff ,and he's too precious to admit he swallowed all the crap wholesale.

 

I just think Paul Cavalier deserves not to be completely disregarded. It’s a good story. His rating stands up.

 

"not disregarding completely out of hand when he could beat Braddock and Galento"

But Braddock was outweighed 162 to 176 for this fight in 1927. And Galento in 1931? He was only a journeyman at the time. Cavalier might be underrated and a guy who perhaps didn't get the breaks to do better, but what gets him onto a list of the best ever contenders with men who beat in prime champions or scads of top contenders?

On the other hand, it is your list, so I will pass on further quibbles.

 

Braddock was unbeaten in 27 fights, he had already fought on the undercards of Jack Sharkey v Jim Maloney at Yankee stadium and the Paul Berlanbach v Mike mctigue card at Madison Square Garden. You had to be a good fighter to get on those kinds of cards. Jim was just one year younger than Cavalier when he he was beaten by him.

The Galento fight was at Madison Square Garden. It was the co feature beneath the Tommy Laughran v Victorio campolo main event. Galentos record at 36-6 was more of that of a prospect at that time, he was 32lb heavier than Paul was. Tony had won twice in madison square Garden aleady. Yet after his next fight Paul never fought there again even though he remained unbeaten for 4 years after this. The points loss which ended that run was previously listed as a win. So The record is very sketchy indeed.

Even so, when Ike Ibeabuchi beat David Tua and John Ruiz they both went onto better things in much the way Galento and Braddock eventually did after losing to Cavalier.

 

Beating a 20 year old 162lbs man by dec and a 21 years old who had beaten no one of note, qualifies you as a top 15 all time heavyweight contender ? Yeah of course it does! I could name 60 men who have better qualifications as contenders than Cavalier and that's without recourse to Box Rec!
NB. CBZ Has the Braddock fight as a ND

 

I think that’s what causes so much discrepancy. Without a knockout..or evidence of a clear drubbing, All or most of these distance fights were probably no decisions. Without film or enough interest we are left to go on Gene Tunneys approval that Cavalier was a clever fighter and that some aticals list 100 odd Cavalier wins.

 

Crazy how open for debate it can be. Although many names off the list that were never lineal! Everyone gets a belt nowadays lol