Greatest Contenders - Light heavyweights

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Continuing our discussion. Today, give me your 15 greatest contenders never to win the light heavyweight title title.

    The rules are, they must have competed at the weight and never won a World, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, NBA or NYSAC recognized title at the selected weight (Interim, Colored, White, IBU, BBBC, state recognized other than New York, Country only recognized or any organization south of WBO are not recognized titles, so their champions are eligible as contenders). Also, since I am not recognizing Straw, jr. fly, super fly, super bantam, super middle or cruiser, the champions and contenders in the omitted classes are eligible at the higher weight. If they did move up and win that respective title like Roman Gonzalez, they are ineligible as a contender. Easy enough? Please ask if I am gliding over something. And don't sweat the order, just give me your best 15.

    Again, this is super-deep, guys.

    Here are mine:

    -Sam Langford
    -Harry Greb
    -Gene Tunney
    -Young Stribling
    -Mickey Walker
    -Len Harvey
    -Tiger Jack Fox
    -Jimmy Bivins
    -Lloyd Marshall
    -Ezzard Charles
    -Eddie Cotton
    -Jorge Ahumada
    -Richie Kates
    -Yaqui Lopez
    -James Scott

    Give me your best 15.
     
  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Think Harry Matthews deserves a shout.
     
  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Len Harvey was a good fighter, not sure he really belongs in that company.

    I'd definitely rate Tommy Gibbons higher for example.
    Billy Miske and Kid Norfolk are also very good contenders from the same time.

    I'm not sure if Langford should count, since there wasn't much of an active division when he was at that weight. He was a middleweight when O'Brien beat Fitz, and a heavyweight when Dillon claimed the title. I know Langford actually claimed the title though.

    Kid McCoy is another weird one. He beat Choynski twice, and Choynski had atleast some claim to the Light Heavyweight title going back to a win over Jim Hall, then he fought Root for what's traditionally considered the inaugural title. But Choynski was still called the Light Heavyweight champion after those losses. I have no idea what was going on with Choynski and that claim. On ability and achievement I think he belongs.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Trying to find new names.
    Peralta ranked for 7 years.
    Lopez ranked for7 years.
    Pompey ranked for 6 years.
    Hutchins ranked for 5 years.
    Al Gainer ranked for 10 consecutive years!
    Nate Bolden
    Stribling
     
  5. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    - Floyd Patterson
    - James Toney
    - Mauro Mina
    - Kid Norfolk
    - Yvon Durelle
    - Tami Mauriello
    - Pierre Fourie
    - Doug Jones
    - Murray Sutherland
    - Harry Matthews
    - Eddie Cotton
    - Tommy Gibbons
    - Lee Anderson
    - Yolande Pompey
    - Eddie Davis
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Ezzard Charles
    Harry Greb
    Gene Tunney
    Jimmy Bivins
    Lloyd Marshall
    Tommy Gibbons
    Young Stribling
    Kid Norfolk
    Tiger Jack Fox
    Mickey Walker
    Oakland Billy Smith
    Joe Knight
    Al Gainer
    Yaqui Lopez
    Leonard Morrow

    I'd have Dillon up there, too. But I don't know if his claim to the title (which I tend to think was a load of crap, and not really anything substantial) disqualifies him here.
     
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  7. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Harry Greb
    Sam Langford
    Ezzard Charles
    Gene Tunney
    Tommy Gibbons
    Jimmy Bivins
    Billy Miske
    Kid Norfolk
    Mauro Mina
    Leonard Morrow
    Oakland Billy Smith
    Young Stribling
    Jorge Ahumada
    Pierre Fourie
    Richie Kates
     
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    See, this is why we're doing these. Gibbons and Norfolk slipped right through my net. Langford may have been a reach, but was consistently within the poundage when he was defending his world Colored heavyweight title. I'd much rather see him at 175 than fighting some monster while weighing between 160 and 170. Good picks, Bit.
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Y'know, I tussled over that Jack Dillon one as well. It just seemed to be thin substance to it. However, it does segue right into the Battling Levinsky era. And there was not one without the other. I'm inclined to think of Dillon as a titlist, but again, murky.

    One other thing, George. Anton Christoforidis did actually hold the NBA title, which DQ's him here.
     
  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Outstanding!
     
  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great picks and a full list.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Yeah, I agree. Even though his claim seems a little baseless, it's still a title. No more baseless than someone holding the WBO in the '90s, IMO. And thanks, I didn't know about the NBA and Anton, I'll amend my list now.

    Scar, where do you stand on the Duration Titles during World War Two?
     
  13. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    I think it`s a great topic to learn and understand more about boxing history. Till now, I have studied much more the heavier divisions. Maybe in the future, I can learn also more about lower weightclasses.
     
  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't count them. I didn't even mention them because I consider them to be the same as Interim titles. They just disappeared in the ether when the boys came home from WWII. There should have been a mandatory rule for the returning champ to defend against his Duration rival. But not so, and guys like Jimmy Bivins, who held both light heavy and heavy titles, got screwed.
     
  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I think that Chris Finnegan was a real good contender, he took peak Bob Foster into round 14, until the champion stopped him in Sept 1972. Jorge Ahumada was an underrated contender, gave champion Bob Foster all he could handle in June 1974, some experts believe the draw was an early Christmas gift to Bob. Ahumada would lose to John Conteh on Oct 1 1974 in London, England on points for the vacant WBC title. Ahumada did have a victory over Victor Galindez before Victor became champion. Ray Anderson was another good contender, went 15 with Foster in 1971. Alvaro Yaqui Lopez went 15 with Conteh in Oct 1976, losing on points. Lopez also went 15 with Galindez in Nov 1977 in Italy. But the fights against Matthew Saad Muhammad were classics.
     
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