Greatest defensive boxer ever?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Melankomas, Jan 23, 2023.

  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Member Full Member

    377
    303
    Dec 18, 2022
    This has been a long standing debate, so how about we settle it. Who's the defensive GOAT?
     
  2. DadMilker

    DadMilker New Member Full Member

    1
    5
    Apr 15, 2022
  3. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Active Member Full Member

    822
    992
    Dec 17, 2018
    The fighter that ranks highest on my p4p all time list who had a good defense, is my #1 SRR.

    The fighter that ranks highest on my p4p all time list who was a defensive specialist, I.e. defense was the cornerstone of their entire fighting style and their number 1 attribute, is my #11, Willie Pep.
     
  4. lone star

    lone star Member Full Member

    384
    439
    Mar 10, 2018
    Nicolino Locche was good. Perhaps his lack of power hurt his legacy and also lack of footage but what little you can view of him he made his opponents almost say “****ing hell you takin the ****?” Which of course he was.
     
  5. Melankomas

    Melankomas Member Full Member

    377
    303
    Dec 18, 2022
    Always found Locche underrated, the Locche that beat Fuji gives anyone near his weight trouble.
     
  6. ron davis

    ron davis Active Member Full Member

    1,431
    1,247
    Sep 2, 2013
    Davey Day never suffered a cut in over 250 fights amateur and pro. Armstrong and Ambers refused to fight Davey a 2nd time, turning down $35,000 for rematch. He sent Armstrong to the hospital and had no warm up fights for three months before being matched. Henry had three fights prior to meeting Day. Also, Canzonari , Jenkins duck him. Armstrong had to be helped out of the ring still wearing his crown. Ambers was lucky it didn't go 11 rounds as Day took the last 3 rounds and Ambers was reading to go, in losing a split decision. Day was robbed.
     
  7. Melankomas

    Melankomas Member Full Member

    377
    303
    Dec 18, 2022
    Wow, looks like you learn something new every day! Is there any footage of this man?
     
    Pugguy and ron davis like this.
  8. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,553
    11,930
    Jan 6, 2017
    It's arguably Mayweather based on results, although he didn't face nearly enough true elite killers to put his defense to the test compared to other defensive wizards. Zero knockouts or knockdowns (outside of the unofficial knockdown against Judah). Only got cut twice I believe across multiple weight classes, hell of a feat.
     
    Flash24, Marvelous Mauler and Pugguy like this.
  9. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Member Full Member

    464
    513
    Nov 27, 2010
    I would say Loche and Pep top the list.
     
  10. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,960
    835
    Dec 17, 2009
  11. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

    8,477
    2,989
    Nov 13, 2010
    Pernell Whitaker
     
  12. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,953
    7,390
    Aug 22, 2021
    I know it’s relative to his era and the degree of offence he had to contend with back in the day - but Johnson’s defensive measures (yes, including clinches and holding which many other fighters were prone to in his day - Jack simply did it better) ensured that he finished his long career more or less unmarked and unscathed.
     
    ron davis likes this.
  13. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

    584
    801
    Jun 14, 2022
  14. Rollin

    Rollin Active Member Full Member

    1,023
    1,370
    Nov 17, 2021
    Pep was fantastic, but less flashy than the rest. Locche, Mayweather, Benitez, and Sweet Pea also come to mind when you think of the defensive specialists. There were also great many ATGs with more rounded skillset but an astonishing defense as well: Charles, Walcott, Moore etc.
     
    Flash24 likes this.
  15. djday129

    djday129 New Member Full Member

    5
    3
    Jan 21, 2023
    Pep, Johnson, Benny Leonard, Whittiker, you should do a poll so we can get some scores to see who wins!
     
    Pugguy likes this.