Greatest defensive boxer ever?

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  1. ron davis

    ron davis Active Member Full Member

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    Unfortunately no.
    Jimmy Jacobs had the largest collection of fight films, and sincerely wished he had Day. If you want to learn more about Davey Day, you can go to E Bay put in search 'Davey Day First Assistant Lightweight Champion' Day arrived in NY with his manager to fight the #1. Wel. contender Pedro Montanez in elimination bout with winner to fight Henry Armstrong for the Welterweight Title. Davey was the first fighter to stop Montanez. Eddie Mead Hank's manager with Mike Jacobs, sidestep Mr. Day, as they wouldn't take any chances of losing their gold goose against Mr. Davey Day. The let the loser Montanez to fight Armstrong for the NY version of their Title. The NBA refused to sanction the fight as a Championship match. The NBA stripped Lou Ambers of his title for not fighting Davey. Mr. Day was the #1 lightweight and welterweight. Happy reading.
     
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  2. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mayweather, Whitaker, Loche - spring to mind.
     
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  3. Melankomas

    Melankomas Member Full Member

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    That's a shame. Still sounds like a beast though, shame he isn't more known.
     
  4. CharlieFirpo85

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  5. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather
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  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Armstrong had already stopped Day, so I don’t see how they were ducking him.

    Day was very, very good, but he lost to most of the best guys he fought (2 of 3 to Angott, Montgomery, Ambers, Arizmendi and Armstrong).
     
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  7. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich Tire Iron Jones was good but he was no Full Member

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    Nice to see someone mention Zapata.
     
  8. AngryBirds

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    Easily Mayweather Jr. The guy was almost impossible to get a flush hit on and footwork allowed him to pretty much always be in a position to let combinations fly, which often landed flush on the other guy.
     
  9. Seamus

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    Harry Greb has to be given consideration considering all the murderers he faced, so many of them bigger and stronger... a full 1/6 of his THREE HUNDRED bouts were against Hall of Famers, and yet only stopped twice, once in his 8th fight and a DQ later in his career. He had to be doing something right.
     
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  10. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Benitez was the best I ever saw
     
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  11. ron davis

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    Davey, didn't fight 3 months prior to Armstrong. Day fought Armstrong half blind, half the fight. Hank's punches didn't close Day's eyes, it was his elbows. Day open a bad cut over Armstrong's left eye in the eighth round and actually stopped the fight calling in the commission Doctor to make the decision whether to stop the fight or continue. Day should have been the Wel. Champ when the referee stopped the fight. The referee should have taken several rounds for low blows and not just two. Several NY sports writers mentioned Day was leading up to the 10th. Hank came out in the 11th round and hit Day 5 times below the waist, reef giving this rd. to Day. In the 12th rd Day was holding his own, when Hank got in a short left to Day's blind side and went down supported on his hands and knees, similar to praying to Alah. As Davey arose, the ref. putting his arm over Day's shoulder at 2:49 of the 12th round, and looked into Henry's bloody face and, said, 'You can rest now.' Google, Nelson Algren (renown writer) interview with Davey Day. Armstrong got the worse of his fight with Mr. Day, taking 4 stitches to his eye, broken right hand and other badly bruised and face marked up like raw meat. Day went back to Chicago with red eye.
    Pian and Winch offered Armstrong $35,000 for a rematch. Ambers took a beating in his fight with Day, lucky to last the 10th round. Day getting the referees decision. Ambers was stripped of his title on March 23rd 1940 by the NBA for not fighting Day. Arizmendi got a few souvenirs from Davey. The skinny kid from Chicago cutup Arizmendi to shreds and received a deep gash across his nose, take a look at the scar when you look him up. Davey finished the fight unscathed. Sammy Angott won the from Davey down in Louisville as Jack Dempsey was the sole referee and judge. Angotts manager was Jones (first name escapes me) who owned a bank in Louisville paid off the the commisssion allowing Dampsey to do his job on Davey as Jones paid all his expenses to come down to Louisville, making Angott the Champ by one point. Enjoy.
     
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  12. Saintpat

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    Sounds like you’re getting Day’s account of things.

    I don’t care whose face was marked up. Armstrong stopped him. Angott didn’t just beat him once.

    What are Day’s best wins? Give me his top five. And then look at who he lost to and you’ll see he couldn’t seem to overcome the top talent.
     
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  14. ron davis

    ron davis Active Member Full Member

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    Refer to Ring Ratings 1937 - 1940
     
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  15. Saintpat

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    Not sure what you’re having me look for. I don’t see him rated No. 1 at both weights for those years (one year at lightweight) but not as the top guy but the top contender.

    You seem to put a lot of stock in facial damage yet admit that Armstrong had him blinded by closing an eye. Armstrong stopped him — I can’t find any account where this was controversial at all.

    As I said, Day was a very, very good fighter. But he lost to most of the top names he fought.