Greatest example of fight strategy; ring generalship

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  1. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, I don't know a hundredth enough to pick THE GREATEST .............


    I did greatly admire Duran against Barkely, hanging tough with a bigger, younger, stronger guy, consistently working the body and jabbing the face, and taking over late against a tired and semi-blinded opponent. he made his deposit and drew it with interest.
     
  2. pmfan

    pmfan Active Member Full Member

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    Harada was amazingly good, and the only man to have beaten Eder Jofre (he did it twice) in his legendary career. There is tape on youtube of one of his epic contests with the magnificent Jofre. Check out Jofre's record and you'll be impressed.
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Carlos Monzon's two performances...against Bennie Briscoe and the second fight with Rodrigo Valdez are both superlative examples of very subtle and effective ring generalship, being that he was in trouble in both fights and not only survived, but decisively defeated both men.
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    You just cited three fights where he was rocked, dumped on his ass against Valdez in fact.

    Some even feel Briscoe beat him the first time.

    Monzon had far better showings then those three matches.
     
  5. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think, although a losing effort, Duran - Hagler.
    Hagler had dominated the best of the middleweight division but Duran, although smaller, weaker and past his best, still managed to take something away from Hagler.
    To me this fight showed me that for raw talent, Duran was miles ahead of Hagler.
    People are talking about the De LaHoya-Paquiao "mismatch", Paquiao turned pro as a flyweight, DLH as a junior lightweight.
    Duran turned pro as a bantamweight whereas Hagler had boxed light-heavy as an amateur.
     
  6. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I havent really got the extensive knowledge to pick out such fine examples, but can this one really be considered given that it is such a contentious decision? Barrera v Hamed is nailed on given the dominance of the win bur Leonard Hagler was too close to call so maybe its not the greatest example?
     
  7. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I disagree, contentious decision or not, Leonard's performance in this fight was the first that sprung to mind when I read this thread.
    I watched this fight live on closed circuit and the feeling in the theatre at the time was that Leonard had won quite comfortably. On second viewing he hadn't, it was a lot closer.
    Leonard just looked like the winner, he made it look like the fight was fought on his terms all the way through.
    A great example of "ring generalship".

    By the way, i'm not anti-Hagler. Just realised he's on the wrong end of both of my posts.
     
  8. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Guys like Monzon, Sanchez, Nelson, Mike Spinks, Hopkins, Hagler were great at this...
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    People crying about the size difference endlessy don't care to look at the fact that Pacquaio, like most Eastern fighters, was a massive weight drainer. Flyweight was below his natural weight even when he begin boxing as a teenager.
     
  10. Jersey Joe

    Jersey Joe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think he won the fight - just that he did so not in the traditional way of beating the crap out of his opponent, but rather by scoring points with the least risk possible, and avoiding any kind of true confrontation. Nothing wrong with that, that's why I said it was a great example of fight strategy!
     
  11. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not taken in an anti-Hagler way anyway so no worries.

    I take your point but I really dont think Leonard's performance can be considered the 'greatest example' of either strategy or ring generalship. I'm one of the 50% that think Hagler won that fight. If Leonard had exhibited the greatest example of either of the above then surely I wouldnt have saw the fight the way I did?

    I agree that Leonard fought the fight the only way he could as any other strategy would have resulted in a clear loss but not sure its the finest example out there.

    I said earlier that I dont have the extensive back catalogue of knowledge to fall back on but Ali v Foreman springs to mind in terms of strategy to win a fight although it may have cost Ali a lot more in the long term than he would have anticipated.

    In terms of recent fights, Hatton v Tszyu springs to mind as smothering Kostya was the only way Hatton would win, but I dismiss that fight as it was the way Hatton fought at the time anyway so it wasnt as if he changed his game plan. Similar to Cotto v Marg in that Margarito did not really have to change his own style it was just that his style caused Cotto problems. So in terms of recent fights I would say something like Jones v Ruiz is a good example of strategy. In terms of ring generalship, pretty much any Joe Louis clips I've seen are immense!
     
  12. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Alfonso Frazer's win over Nicolino Locche, which was designed by Ray Arcel.
     
  13. Jersey Joe

    Jersey Joe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Another one for fight strategy - Schmeling vs Louis I. They spotted Joe's weakness before the fight, then worked on it mercilessly for 12 rounds and ageing Max beat the up and coming prospect despite being by far the inferior boxer. That was the only time Louis lost whilst in his prime.
     
  14. pmfan

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    I think you have hit it. That is one of the classic strategy fights in history. And this was after Max S. had been decively beaten by Bear, so he was already "over the hill".
     
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