Greatest fighter by the Largest Margin in a Weight Class

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  1. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who is the greatest fighter by the largest margin in his weight class in H2H terms?

    IE, if you say Duran is the best LW, is he that much better than Leonard or Whitaker than say Holyfield is over the 2nd best CW in history?

    Had this question last year, just seeing if anything has changed.
     
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  2. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Ricardo Lopez @ 105
    Roy Jones, Jr. @ 168
    Evander Holyfield @ CW
     
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  3. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield at cruiser, Lopez at 105...there are closer calls at every other weight
     
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  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How do you some of you guys who picked Lopez at 105 feel about Calderon's chances with him?
     
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  5. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    He's obviously has a boxer's chance to win, but I feel Lopez was simply the better fighter. Bigger, stronger, much more powerful, and technically very good as well.
     
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  6. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Whitaker at lightweight.
     
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    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    How do you think Duran, Leonard, Armstrong, Williams, and Ortiz would do against him at 135?
     
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  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yah, that's too close for me. Too many other great LW might beat him. If I had to bet my life, I wouldn't be comfortable with that pick.
     
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  9. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Jones at 168
     
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  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am gonna go with Holyfield at CW.

    As for Pea at LW, there are too many fighters who might be even money with him H2H. I think Holyfield is better than the next best CW by a much wider margin than Pea is better than the next best LW, if he is even the best LW to begin with.
     
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  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    H2H, Jones at 168, arguably. However, he was still beatable to a point against the right guy, not that there are many.

    H2H and resume, Holyfield at cruiser is the best selection and everyone who has posted in this thread is already leaning there.

    I wish that stone age fighters would stop being mentioned in a H2H sense, but I will lay off of that for now.
     
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  12. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones 168 was my pick a year ago.

    However, I think that a lucky punch from McClellan or Benn could stop Jones. I don't believe he has a weak chin, but those guys hit hard. On any given night, Calzaghe may beat him, though I would favor Jones.

    I don't see anyone beating Holyfield at CW. Even a lucky punch or an off night aren't going to produce a loss for him at this weight IMO. And there isn't anyone who is comparable to him IMO that could beat him on any given night.
     
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  13. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Believe it or not, David Haye has the right style to beat Holyfield at Cruiser... but he surely hasn't proven to me that his chin would be prepared for it. So Holyfield KO over David Haye as it stands.

    Anyway, I agree with what you said about Jones and have never claimed he had a weak chin, but he's also far from truly solid, I'd call it 'average' and that's where most guys are at anyway.

    Benn, G-Man both have a good shot at 168 just on that basis, but not as good a shot as Calzaghe, because Calzaghe has the speed to swarm him and land his left hooks, which are precise. The reason that I pick Jones, is because Jones will stop him dead in his tracks with well timed lead right hands(Joe's stylistically always open to this from a master of timing) and Jones would just land and land, so save for a few swing rounds and a few scary spots, I'd take Jones wide and always have.

    I have to also say, Arguello at 130 pounds H2H is up there...
     
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  14. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And I think he and PBF stand head and shoulders over that division. But they are neck and neck for me.
     
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  15. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't even give him a boxers chance. Lopez had the best skills a fighter can have. He could outbox the boxer if he wanted to but most likley he would just cut the ring off.

    BTW I agree with those of you that picked Lopez as the answer to the original thread question
     
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