Greatest Fighter In The Modern 9 Weight Classes

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  1. horst

    horst Guest

    This is a re-post of an old thread I made in the Classic, but I'm opening the debate again on account of recent events:



    "We seem to forever debate who the greatest were in the traditional eight divisions, but most of the unwanted nine modern divisions have been in operation for a long time now, so it would be good to debate who have been the best in those divisions.

    What I have done to start us off is to say who I think was THE best fighter who ever fought in each division H2H, ie this is not a debate on career/pound-for-pound greatness, it is simply about who showed himself to be the finest fighting machine ever at that weight by producing the goods in key fights.

    If I think there is a clear number 1, I have not acknowledged any other realistic contenders. This is just my opinion of course, feel free to disagree. I'm sure there will some disgruntled fans of Zapata, Yuh, Norris, Calzaghe, Pacquiao, Morales, Barrera, Moon, Galaxy, etc etc - but these are my calls and all they are is a starting point. Disagree at will. That's kind of the point.

    :bbb



    Cruiserweight

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    (1987)

    Other Realistic Contenders: None.


    Supermiddleweight

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    (1994)

    Other Realistic Contenders: None.


    Light-Middleweight

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    (1983)

    Other Realistic Contenders: Mike McCallum (1986)


    Light-Welterweight

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    (1982)

    Other Realistic Contenders: Julio Cesar Chavez (1989), Wilfred Benitez (1976)


    Super-Featherweight

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    (1979)

    Other Realistic Contenders: Floyd Mayweather Jr (2001), Julio Cesar Chavez (1985)


    Super-Bantamweight

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    (seventy-eight)

    Other Realistic Contenders: None.


    Junior-Bantamweight

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    (1986)

    Other Realistic Contenders: Jiro Watanabe (1984)


    Light-Flyweight

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    (1983)

    Other Realistic Contenders: Yoko Gushiken (seventy-eight)


    Minimumweight

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    (1993)

    Other Realistic Contenders: None.






    New Question: Is Andre Ward (2011) a realistic contender for greatest ability at smw, or does Jones still eclipse all in terms of skills and effectiveness, much like he did to the great James Toney in '94?
     
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  2. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    What?
     
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  3. TheRoadWarrior4

    TheRoadWarrior4 Active Member Full Member

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    My thoughts exactly... Where's Sven Ottke!!
     
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  4. horst

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    Ability-wise, I don't think anyone could give him a test at 168lbs. The Jones of 1994-96 was one of the very best fighting machines I've ever seen in my life, close to the level of peak versions of Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker and Roberto Duran. Look how easily he beat James Toney. He was on another level.
     
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  5. LancsTerrible

    LancsTerrible Different Forms of Game. Full Member

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    Cruiserweight

    Evander Holyfield (1987)

    Other Realistic Contenders: None.


    Supermiddleweight

    Roy Jones Jr (1994)

    Other Realistic Contenders: I'll include Calzaghe. Certainly not a polished fighter by any means but he has a certain quality in his strengths that make him a very tough task for more or less anyone in the division. Similar with Jones, I don't by any means believe him to be a completely polished fighter.


    Light-Middleweight

    Thomas Hearns (1983)

    Other Realistic Contenders: Mike McCallum (1986)


    Light-Welterweight

    Jose Napoles or Oscar de la Hoya (1996/1997). Napoles may seem to be a very weird pick for 140, but he was a small welterweight and while at that weight he established himself as one of the greatest ever. From what I know I'm positive he could have made 140 and killed that division dead had he been there rather than chasing fights with and then beating Cokes and Griffith.

    Other Realistic Contenders: Wilfred Benitez (1976).


    Super-Featherweight

    Alexis Arguello (1979)

    Other Realistic Contenders: Floyd Mayweather Jr (2001), Julio Cesar Chavez (1985)


    Super-Bantamweight

    Wilfredo Gomez (seventy-eight)

    Other Realistic Contenders: None.


    Junior-Bantamweight

    Can't really comment.


    Light-Flyweight

    Humberto Gonzalez (1994)

    Other Realistic Contenders: Michael Carbajal (1993), Jung-Koo Chang (? not sure, I know he had a very suprising length of dominance for such a small guy but I don't know if I'm as impressed as I am with Gonzalez. No doubt I'll have a proper look in the future but for now I'm not sure).


    Minimumweight

    Ricardo Lopez (1993)

    Other Realistic Contenders: None.

    For the most part I find myself agreeing with you, some parts you no doubt have more studied more than I have e.g Junior Bantamweight and Light-Flyweight.
     
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  6. Beezy

    Beezy 2 Eazzy Full Member

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    I cannot comment... like the lsit though...

    I would comment if it was career /resume but h2h and the year is tough and intensive... but for Super Middleweight h2h I don't know who wouldn't get it outside Roy Jones Jr... career though would be Joe Calzaghe... same with cruiserweight, it would be Evander Holyfield but career would be Jean Marc Mormeck
     
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  7. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    what the same james toney who in his prime got the **** kicked out of him by the invincible dave tiberi, drew with the legendary sanderline williams, and had life and death split decision struggles with sosa and johnson :lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl

















    . . . . . . . . . . . and roy jones beat this man :rofl
     
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  8. horst

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    How many of these guys dominated Toney and beat him easily, like Jones did?

    None??

    **** up then. :smoke
     
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  9. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield

    Realistic contenders: Don't make me laugh.

    Super Middleweight: Roy Jones Jr.

    Realistic contenders: None.

    Light Middleweight: Thomas Hearns

    Realistic contenders: Mike McCallum

    Light Welterweight: Duilio Loi

    Realistic contenders: Aaron Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Barney Ross, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Pernell Whitaker, Nicolino Locche, and Wilfred Benitez.

    Super Featherweight: Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    Realistic contenders: Alexis Arguello, Azumah Nelson, Benny Bass, and Kid Chocolate.

    Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez

    Realistic contenders: Jeff Fenech

    Jr. Bantamweight: Jiro Watanabe

    Realistic contenders: Nana Konadu, Johnny Tapia, Gilberto Roman, Sung-Kil Moon, and Khaosai Galaxy.

    Light Flyweight: Jung-Koo Chang

    Realistic contenders: Hilario Zapata and Yoko Gushiken.

    Strawweight: Ricardo Lopez

    Realistic contenders: :lol:
     
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  10. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    I would favor McCallum in a Hearns-McCallum fight. Shame it never happened.
     
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  11. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Reggie Johnson was an elite fighter. In fact I would say the Jones's strategy to beat Toney was basically a modified version of R.Johnson's
     
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  12. horst

    horst Guest

    bump
     
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  13. pong

    pong Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Terry Norris deserves a mention at 154 h2h
     
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  14. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather #1 at 130 hands down
     
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  15. horst

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    You ever seen Chavez fight at 130/135?

    Ever seen Mayweather vs Castillo & Jesus Chavez at 130/135?

    That should tell you that JC Chavez is Mayweather's nightmare at those weights!
     
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