Greatest fighters in the original 8 weight classes

I am a Tito fan and you are, Tito fans never disagree, hagler much better resume, but roy in his best days which were middleweight-super midd. was just one extremly athletic skilled sob:deal

 

agreed

 

Flyweight All Time Champion: Jimmy Wilde
Honourable mentions Miguel Canto, Pancho Villia,

Bantamweight All Time Champion: Eder Jofre
Honourable Mentions: Fighting Harada

Featherweight All Time Champion: Willie Pep
Honourable Mentions: Sandy Saddler, Henry Armstrong, George Dixon, Sugar Ramos, Johnny Dundee, Alexis Arguello, Abe Attell

Lightweight All Time Champion: Benny Leonard
Honourable Mentions: Jimmy Cazoneri, Barney Ross, Joe Gans, Roberto Duran, Pernell Whitaker, Ike Williams, Kid Chocolate, Jackie Berg

Welterweight All Time Champion: Sugar Ray Robinson
Honourable Mentions: Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Felix Trinidad, Wilfredo Benetiez, Carmen Basillio, Kid Gavlian, Kid McCoy (unsure if he really fought in this weightclass, boxing historians help me)

Middleweight All Time Champion: Marvin Hagler
Honourable Mentions: Carlos Monzon, Bernard Hopkins, Charlie Burley, Jake Lamotta, Tony Zale,

LightHeavyweight All Time Champion: Archie Moore
Honourable Mention: Bob Foster, Roy Jones Jr. , Harold Johnson, Ezzard Charles, Michael Spinks


Heavyweight All Time Champion: Muhamad Ali
Honourable mentions: Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, Rocky Marciano, Lennox Lewis, Larry Holmes, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Harry Greb (if there was more fight footage of him out there, I'd rank him higher), Sam Langford, Vitali and Wladmir Klitchko (the competition might've been weak, but they dominated their division),

There's so much I left out but I wanted to keep the list short and sweet

 

Shiiiiiit. I mean I do have a very vague understanding of the records of the old guys and an appreciation (perhaps even reverence) of the knowledge shown by our more studied posters, but having said that I'd feel I'd be doing a major disservice to them and myself if I made a list identical to there's on what little I've studied in comparison. If you see where I'm coming from?

I'll report back later with my own list.

 

Yeah I should've caught that with Greb, I meant Joe Gans to be where Greb was, I'd rank a lot of the old-timers higher if there was more fight footage of them. We're going by first hand accounts which can be unreliable. But from the training videos I've seen of Greb, the man had some of the fastest hands in history.

 

Mine is very similar, with me perhaps favouring the effects of overall dominance slightly more than prime losses.

Flyweight: Miguel Canto
HM: Hiroyuki Ebihara, Benny Lynch, Yuri Arbachakov.

Bantamweight: Eder Jofre
HM: Fighting Harada, Carlos Zarate, Ruben Olivares.

Lightweight: Roberto Duran.
HM: Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, Shane Mosley.

Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson.
HM: Sugar Ray Leonard, Jose Napoles, Luis Rodriguez.

Middleweight: Carlos Monzon.
HM: Sugar Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler, Bernard Hopkins.

Light-Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles.
HM: Archie Moore, Michael Spinks, Harold Johnson.

Heavyweight: Muhammed Ali.
HM: Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, George Foreman.

Some of those will stick out like a sore-thumb to some guys who know the sport more or less back to front like Mosley, Rodriguez, Hopkins or Johnson. That being said I'd have been blagging it had I put in Gans, Walcott, Conn, Langford etc as I haven't studied their careers enough or the careers of their best victories. Example, I'm having quite an indepth look at Emile Griffith's career yet I don't think I know quite enough about it to include him at welterweight or middleweight.

 

Sorry I can't pick just 3 honorable mentions - you will have to cut them down youself

No one who is currently active is on this list since we still don't know how great they will be when DONE! I believe that there are a few active fighters who will be on this list when the ARE done...

Flyweight All Time Champion: Jimmy Wilde
Honourable mentions: • Pancho Villa
• Pascual Perez
• Fidel LaBarba
• Benny Lynch
• Frankie Genaro
• Miguel Canto
• Ricardo Lopez

Bantamweight All Time Champion: Eder Jofre
Honourable Mentions: • Panama Al Brown
• Ruben Olivares
• Pete Herman
• Manuel Ortiz
• Carlos Zarate
• George Dixon
• Terry McGovern

Featherweight All Time Champion: Willie Pep
Honourable Mentions: • Sandy Saddler
• Henry Armstrong
• Abe Attell
• Johnny Dundee
• Alexis Arguello

Lightweight All Time Champion: Benny Leonard
Honourable Mentions: • Roberto Duran
• Joe Gans
• Henry Armstrong
• Tony Canzoneri
• Ike Williams
• Pernell Whitaker
• Barney Ross
• Julio Cesar Chavez

Welterweight All Time Champion: Sugar Ray Robinson
Honourable Mentions: • Sugar Ray Leonard
• Henry Armstrong
• Barbados Joe Walcott
• Barney Ross
• Kid Gavilan
• Emile Griffith
• Thomas Hearns
• Jose Napoles

Middleweight All Time Champion: Harry Greb
Honourable Mentions: • Sugar Ray Robinson
• Stanley Ketchel
• Mickey Walker
• Carlos Monzon
• Marvin Hagler
• Marcel Cerdan

LightHeavyweight All Time Champion: Archie Moore
Honourable Mention: • Ezzard Charles
• Sam Langford
• Gene Tunney
• Bob Foster
• Tommy Loughran
• Michael Spinks

Heavyweight All Time Champion: Joe Louis
Honourable mentions: • Muhammad Ali
• Jack Johnson
• Jack Dempsey
• Rocky Marciano
• Larry Holmes

 

How could you have Pep, as an all time feather, but not even have the guy who beat him three times as an honorable mention in Saddler? What about Hammering Hank, he fought at featherweight as well.

Holyfield isn't an honorable mention at heavyweight to me. His best wins are all asterisked. He didn't beat the best version of Tyson. He didn't beat the best version of Bowe, Moorer, or Douglas (they were all fat asses when Holyfield beat them). Furthermore, when Bowe and Moorer weren't fat asses, they beat Holyfield.