Greatest H2H HW

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Who is it?
    The rule is, who ever you think it is, you have to put who you would pick them lose to (not who they could lose to), if any and why.
    I'll go first

    Lennox Lewis and I think he only loses to Sonny Liston, who using his jab would bully through his pawing jab, and then land something big at some point. Although he could do a Ruddock on Liston but I doubt it he was respectful of power but couldn't handle a hard thudding jab (see Mercer fight)
     
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  2. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think if you take h2h top-15 HWs all time, no one does better than 11-3 against that list. That's the list of the absolute best fighters in history, no one is able to go through that unbeatable. And everyone has his wrong styles.
     
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  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ali, he proved he could beat anyone, facing the highest calibre anyone did.

    2nd louis, so did he, not so high cailbre.

    3rd ...holmes again, second to louis with same effort.
     
  4. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lewis (does well vs everyone, might struggle vs Holmes and other good jabbers/punchers)
    Ali (does well vs everyone in general, might struggle vs modern behemoths)
    Holmes (same as above)
    Fury (does well vs all super heavyweights, might struggle with quick smaller guy)
    W.Klitschko (does well vs all small guys, can lose to puncher)
     
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  5. andrewa1

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    Vitali Klitschko. Has the perfect game for smaller fighters. Lewis and him is 50/50, and I could see him losing to AJ or Fury. His only weakness is taller, reachy fighters.
     
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    Simon Head Member Full Member

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    miniq Big Stiff Idiot Full Member

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    Tyson Fury

    Show me in the history of boxing a man getting knocked out for 5 seconds then getting up and winning the rest of a round

    Barely lost a round to Wlad. He got depressed because Wlad put up such little fight lmao.

    Only lost the knockdown rounds to Wilder whilst in 80% physical shape.

    Gets up like a champ every single time and fights back harder

    Barely lost a round to Chisora twice

    Won't lose a round to AJ and might KO him if AJ gases out trying too hard

    Will probably fight Whyte at some point and won't lose a round to him

    Went to the champs backyard TWICE on THEIR TERMS and beat them. Didn't fight a bum like Martin or Stiverne for his first belt. HE FOUGHT WLADAMIR.

    I don't see him losing to anyone unless they can nail him to the canvas but nails aren't allowed in boxing.

    i'm not bieng biased here, straight up you can argue Mcdermott beat him in their first bout.

    But bieng unbeaten should mean F all in boxing...I just think Fury will remain unbeaten. He's mentally untouchable which is ironic given his issues & his boxing is leagues above the rest. Never before have we seen a man 6'8" 260 pounds move the way he does and I don't think we'll ever see it again. Who could have guessed prior to his Wlad & Wilder performance that he had that in him? He just shows us something new every time he gets in there it's remarkable.

    Fury will lose only when he's old and still fighting or he turns up just for a payday. No man is unbeatable though.



    You see his goddamn eyes roll back into his head and his labored breathing stop when Riess starts counting over him. seriously the greatest thing I think i'll ever witness in boxing. 200 years of gypsy fighting blood in him is one hell of a drug.

    That all bieng said I respect anyone who names any of the standard picks. Fury still has work to do...work which is going to be hard with Arum holding him back.
     
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  9. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    Vitali Klitschko would be the hardest guy, had Lewis done the rematch you would have saw it.

    If I'm understanding the thread I have to pick who is more likely to defeat him ?

    Anthony Joshua !

    Why is real simple , an aggressive 6'6 counter puncher able to hit him much cleaner without holding and hitting as Lewis did. A counter puncher is the way
    To get To Vitali, Joahuas catch and counter style would cause major problems for the awkward Vitali who would be less effective vs such a huge athletic guy.
     
  10. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury, lmao. the guy only fights small guys with no power, unless it is a title fight. then he stinks the joint out vs two guys who's combined age was 71. one of which is well known to be severely lacking in everything but power.
     
  11. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    High praise for Lewis indeed! Only a loss to Liston is quite impressive. He did come in tied 2-4 on mine as I posted in classic....

    I guess my question is how do you think Lewis might fare against Rahman or McCall in a one off fight during his prime?
     
  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    See it's a weird one isn't it, coz there are circumstances around his losses and they obviously weren't at his best. I'd pick him to beat McCall on points and Rahman by KO, but those two are the reason why people like Louis, Bowe, Foreman and Wlad have a chance.
    My question is How'd you see a fight going between Louis and Foreman?
     
  13. gerryb

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    Lennox Lewis.
     
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    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Top 5 H2H HWs

    Lewis (10-1)
    Foreman (9-2)
    Liston (8-3)
    Tyson (7-4)
    Ali (6-3-1)
    Bowe (6-3-1)
    Wlad (5-6)
    Holmes (4-7)
    Fraizer (4-7)
    Louis (3-8)
    Vitali (2-9)
    Holyfield (1-10)

    Lewis
    Loss to Liston
    Could definitely loose to some others

    Foreman
    Loss to Ali and Lewis

    Ali
    Loss to Frazier, Wlad and Lewis, Draw with Bowe (can't pick)

    Liston
    Loss to Ali, Foreman and Bowe

    Bowe
    Loss to Lewis, Foreman, Tyson and Liston draw with Ali (can't pick)

    Holyfield
    loss to Lewis, Ali, Holmes, Bowe, Tyson, Wlad, Fraizer, Foreman, Louis and Liston

    Holmes
    Loss to Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, Ali, Bowe, Wlad, Vitali,

    Tyson
    Loss to Lewis, Foreman, Ali and Liston

    Louis
    Loss to Lewis, Foreman, Ali, Liston, Tyson, Bowe, Holmes, Frazier

    Frazier
    Loss to Lewis, Foreman, Liston, Wlad, Vitali, Tyson and Holmes

    Wlad
    Loss to Lewis, Bowe, Liston, Foreman, Tyson, Louis,

    Vitali
    Loss to Lewis, Bowe, Liston, Foreman, Tyson, Louis, Wlad, Ali, Holyfield

    My two cents
     
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  15. Hayemakers

    Hayemakers Member Full Member

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    I dont know man I think its impossible to go 10-1 against the best heavyweights ever when you are bad at recovering after you got knocked down by only 1 succesfull punch. Just dont think Lewis can win more than 90% of his fights against prime atgs with an average chin and average recovering abilities no matter how skilled he is. Enjoyed reading your post tho.
     
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