Greatest Heavyweights who are not true Heavyweights?

You have it all wrong ...

Ali's reach was 80'. Wlad's was 81 while Vitali was 80. Basically the same ...
Ali was much faster than either brother and took a far better punch than the china chinned Wlad. Ali with his reach and speed had huge trouble hitting Frazier consistently and keeping him off ...

Frazier was the classic body puncher. He was lightning coming in ... he had exceptional stamina , far better than either Klit brother who could be gassed when they were not dictating the pace ... I can easily see him pounding the lights out of those huge bodies, forcing them to fight at a pace they could not keep up ...

As far as Klitschko power goes, let's be direct about it ... Vitali is greatly over rated as a puncher ... he hit Shannon Briggs a thousand times and could not floor him ... I can pick half a dozen of his top fights and make the same claim ... Wlad is a much bigger puncher but in order to do so he must expose that china chin ... bottom line, he is very vulnerable ..

I see Frazier stopping either Klit ...

 

Exactly, every trainer in the division today would dump their current Heavyweights to train a young Tyson instead. :deal

Yes, including Steward, because inside he knows Wlad is china-chinned & boring.

 

Well, without seeing them in action, it's impossible to tell. But seeing them stand next to each other would make alot of people doubt the result. The staredown would look like McBride v Tyson.

Also, as reach is measured to the end of the fingers most of the time and not the end of the fist, it doesn't take into account of long someone's punch range actually is.

 

oh yes, only damage with his left hand.
more regurgitated garbage. he had a nice little right hand that he often used but his main powerpunch was the left hand
Frazier is willing to take the punishment. Vitali was on queerstreet against freaking corrie sanders and was punched around by Byrd. Frazier has the chin to take vitali's arm punches. it takes a powerhouse with HUGE power to take out Frazier.

Yes they are bigger then Ali and stronger, maybe that's because of the roids vitali got caught with and the modern training techniques they both get to use. Considering how Ali could tie up strong men like norton, foreman, shavers, and Liston you have to think that his strength would transition in this era easy with the modern techniques

you can "say" what you want. the facts are Frazier was much more proven against elite opposition; even in losing efforts.

 

Anyone who has ever fought as a Heavyweight is a true heavyweight.

 

You have no proof that Frazier could survive a Vitali onslaught, nor the other way around. Calling it regurgitated garbage only gives the impression it hit a nerve. However, common sense and the fact that Frazier only ever did real damage with his left suggest he'd have trouble - I deliberately say 'suggest' because it can't be proven.

There is no proof either way. Now move on with your life.

 

yeah, we'll never know because these fantasy matches will never happen. Calling it regurgitated garbage is completely reasonable. Frazier hurt quarry, Ali, chuvalo, and bonavena with his right. his right set up his left hand. usually he couldnt just wing away with his left hook because of how predictable Joe could be.

there's proof that Joe cleaned out a good division with multiple contenders that would give the klitschkos runs for their money. he beat an ATG in Ali and other very good contenders like Quarry, bonavena, bugner, Ellis, foster, and chuvalo.

vitali, or wladimir for that matter haven't shown they could beat such men in decisive manner. thats mainly why I give Joe an edge. more proven and a greater better fighter

 

Ali

He was more than a big Cruiserweuight, but gained weight by training hard.

 

I'm not disputing that Frazier was 'better'. I have no love for the way either Kilitschko boxes. However, in the same way Valuev is a ******* to fight, my point is that the size alone would make the klitschkos a problem.

 

Marciano...

 

Saying that Tyson & Frazier are "too small" & would be "Cruiserweights" today is moronic nonsense & paramount to trolling.

Many people put far too much stock on ridiculous height measurements, I'd like to see how the 6'7 Vitali coped with a great short Heavyweight, who closes the distance rapidly & with super elusive headmovement, down low behind a double shotgun jab, ready to explode with coiled-up fury, at the perfect height to chop that big lumbering tree down with debilitating, rib-breaking bombs to the body.

 

I personaly consider a "real heavyweight" to be any fighter who is not protected by a weight limit above which he will not have to fight any contemporary fighter.

Jack Dempsey might have weighed 187lbs but he had to fight one super heavyweight to get his title shot (Fred Fulton) and another who was as big as Vitally Klitschko to win the title (Jess Willard). What more does he have to do before he gets to call himself a real heavyweight?

We can go back further to a time when the heavyweight limit started at 154lbs. If you weighed more than that you still had to go through 220lb Jim Jeffries to get to the title.

 

Nut hugger.:tong

 

My name is "Onepunch", i have some thoughts on the current Ring Mag Heavyweight top 10:

#2 Haye: Get back to Cruiserweight, you blown-up Cruiserweight.

#3 Povetkin: Only 220lbs when not flabby, send him to Cruiserweight.

#4 Adamek: You're a natural light-heavy, what are you doing at #4?? :twisted:

#5 Chagaev: Too short, only 6'1, cut down to 200lbs...

#6 Chambers: Off to Cruiser, you chubby featherfisted little Cruiserweight.

#7 Boytsov: 220lbs & 6'1, sorry, you're relegated to Cruiserweight. :hi:

 

I didn't say they were too small, I said most coaches would consider them better off cutting.

And as for the rest.. very homo.