I know most fans want to glorify the past and demean the present or future, but personally, I like to see boxing history made. I can see a scenario where either Fury or Vitali Klitschko make spectacular boxing history: 1. Fury defeats Wlad in rematch 2. Fury then beats winner of Wilder/Povetkin to unify all the belts for the first time in HW history (when there are so many belts) 3. Vitali exercises his champion emeritus status with WBC to then fight Fury for all the belts in the second half of 2016. If that happens, and Fury beats Vitali, and if WBC holder was Povetkin, you could argue he beat 3 different ATG's in 4 consecutive fights. Look back through history, nothing like that has ever happened before. Not even close. He could even start losing a lot immediately after and he'd still keep a better resume than Holyfield, Bowe, and a bunch of other fringe top 20 ATG HW's. If Vitali wins, it would be the single greatest win in HW history. He'd be a solid underdog, at 45 facing someone coming off one of the best 3 win streaks in history, if not the best. The only thing that would come close to it is Ali Foreman. But Ali was 32 at the time, Vitali would be 45. Look through history, no old ATG ever beat a reigning, younger champ with remotely as quality a resume as Fury would have. Either way, if those fights materialize like that, and that's a big if, the winner of Vitali Fury would have the greatest accomplishment in HW history, either through a single fight (Vitali) or through beating so many ATG's consecutively (Fury).
I think you're confusing "upset" with "achievement". Upset is when a nobody beats a great, per Douglas. Achievement is when a great does something, well, great.
Wlad can't win rematch , because he's old and shot and Vitali can't win the rematch because he's even older and retired and even more shot.
That's one of the few that can compare at all, but Moorer had a much worse resume than Fury would have.
Wouldn't be a rematch if Vitali faced him, they never fought. We don't know how shot he is, he "retired" or stopped fighting before he lost or really struggled. And his age is why, if he beat Fury, it would be the greatest HW accomplishment in history.
Old man Foreman or Ali coming back in the greatest HW era of all time after 4 years wasting away. Wlad and Vitali as ATGs is an argument I cant be ****d with but did you just rank Povetkin in there too ? Behave yersel
Except Vitali would have come back from 4 years of wasting away too. Except not as a prime 32 year old per Ali, but as an ancient 45 year old. As for comparing him to Foreman, he'd be the same age as Foreman when Foreman got the title back, but against a much more formidable opponent than Michael Moorer (Fury would be light years above Moorer) As far as Povetkin, yes, right now he's head and shoulders above all non belt holders at HW. If he beats Wilder and gets a belt, he'll have staked a claim as a clear top 40 ATG, beaten about 10 top 15 hw's in his time and only lost to one. Probably only about 20 HW's all time could claim that. So, depending on how far down you go to call someone an ATG, he definitely would deserve it. Either way, its a much better win, sandwiched between wins over two clear ATG's, than any other comparable win in history, i.e. it would be part of the most challenging series of title fights in history.
Ah right ok , cool. I've been away for a bit so not sure who the numpties are anymore. Peak 32 year old , in 1974 ? Povetkin being decent in one of the worst era ever makes him an ATG ? Jeezy peeps , Void is void and you don't know **** about boxing
"Upset" and "Achievement" can be one n the same. What difference does it make that he was a "nobody?" To overcome 42-1 odds to beat the man that was considered invincible has to be the greatest HW accomplishment in history. Any way you slice it, upset or not, it was a great accomplishment.
Mike Tyson was not a great fighter. He ran through club fighters, good fighters and his best win is a light-heavyweight. So I don't see the Douglas victory as shocking as most. He was no Foreman.