Greatest HW fights that never happened - how do they go

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lewis-Bowe - I pick Lewis to butcher Bowe who was only in his prime for 1 fight

    Lewis-Ike Ibeauchi - Ike may have taken an aging Lewis but Lewis may have been too slick

    Vitali-Ike Ibeauchi - I don't think Vitalis lean beack defense would work well against Ikes pressure

    Wlad-Ike Ibeauchi - Ike KO, too much pressure and power

    Holmes-Foreman - Holmes UD and a much greater legacy

    Foreman-Tyson - Tyson beats both old and prime Foreman for me, far better faster boxer.

    Frazier-Norton - Frazier by KO but not for certain

    Frazier-Shavers - Probably Frazier KO but Shavers has the punchers chance

    Lyle-Frazier - Probably Frazier UD

    Liston-Frazier - Liston KO, although Frazier may have taken the past prime version

    Cleveland Williams-Patterson

    Dempsey-Wills - impossible to say without seeing Wills

    Jack Johnson-Wills - see above

    Walcott-Archie Moore - hmmmmm, Walcott by KO
     
  2. Hadrian

    Hadrian Member Full Member

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    nice thread. how about Louis-Frazier?
     
  3. Tanner

    Tanner Active Member Full Member

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    You missed the biggest one of all: Byrd vs. Ruiz!!!!!
     
  4. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    Regardless of the length of Bowe's prime, I think he would have beaten Lewis.
    Even though he acted like a coward and repeatedly ducked Lewis. Had a prime Bowe and Lewis crossed paths bowe would have had too much for Lewis.

    I'm anticipating people saying Bowe was stopped by Lewis in the amatuers. However, the level Bowe was at when he turned up to fight Moses in 92 - He had the tools to beat most heavyweights including Lewis.
     
  5. Doppleganger

    Doppleganger Southside Slugger Full Member

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    I'd agree with that. In reality, Bowe is rated on the strength of just one fight, the win over Holyfield in their first fight. I guess you could say the trilogy looking at it from a wider perspective but it's really that first fight that defined Bowe, and therefore his legacy.

    BTW, why is ' Last edited by Heavyrighthand : 04-23-2006 at 09:54 PM.' appearing at the foot of this post?
     
  6. janitor

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  7. NickHudson

    NickHudson Active Member Full Member

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    Funny how often Lennox Lewis crops us. The man splits opinion like no other.

    While I think you are right saying Bowe has only 1 genuine Legacy fight (i.e an uncontraversial win over ATG Holyfield who was prime), Lewis has zero Legacy fights...

    He does not have a single win over a 'close to ATG' prime fighter.

     
  8. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, I assume the way the question is asked, we are talking actual matchups as they would have historically occurred, so:

    1. Liston-Frazier--this match would not have been made until 1969 or so. Liston was well past it and lost to Martin about that time. I don't see him beating Frazier.

    2. Holmes-Foreman--I would see this as a pick em fight in the late seventies, with Foreman's power and ability to cut off the ring giving him a good chance of bashing Holmes down before his poor stamina betrays him.
    In the nineties, I like Foreman.

    3. Dempsey-Wills--I agree it is pretty difficult to pick without seeing more of Wills. Of what we know, Wills did defeat a fighter something like Dempsey in Langford, who was also a fighter at Dempsey's level. I can't see any of the big men Dempsey defeated as being close to Wills, who blew away Fulton, possibly the best of the big men at the time.
    My guess would be Wills having the edge from 1919 to 1922 or so with Dempsey more likely to win as the years passed.

    4. Johnson-Wills--Johnson was the better fighter, over all, I think, but this match would not have been made until probably 1915 or so. At that point or later, I would take Wills.

    5. I think Patterson takes Williams at any point.
     
  9. Sonny Carson

    Sonny Carson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So true Lewis never beat a prime anybody and got knocked out by two decent heayweights. The 92 Bowe would kill the skinny Lewis.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lennox has lots of legacy fights

    Rudduck - top4 in the world destroyed
    Holyfield - linear champ, past prime but beaten solidly twice
    Briggs - linear sort of
    Golota - the man who retired Bowe
    Tua - the new Tyson? Handled
    Tyson - still Tyson and still a threat
    McCall/Rahman - revenge wins
    Grant/Vitali - young pretenders and so called next HW champs.

    Those were all massive fights with a plethora of styles and maybe some were more dangerous than a younger Holyfield. Older Holyfield had just destroyed Tyson and was stronger than ever too.

    As for Lennox-Bowe - Lennox by KO5, Lennox big shots would get their first on the outside and Bowe wouldn't have the chin for them. Bowe never a faced a puncher of Lennoxs magnitude
     
  11. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thought of that but it did happen. Johnson UD
     
  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Much like 1988 eh...;)
     
  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The one I would of liked to of seen is a 59 Liston/Marciano match up...
     
  14. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In 1959, Marciano would have been pushing 37 or so by the time. WAY pass his prime for the style the Rock used. It would have been VERY one sided, I belive Liston stops the Rock in 2 or 3 rounds. Marciano retire at the right time. He was close of loseing his powers, He already lost his hand speed as the Cockell and Moore fights show. I dont think Marciano could have goten to 59 unbeating.
     
  15. TBooze

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    I agree, but still would of liked to of seen it, Louis did the job for Marciano, perhaps Marciano should of done it for Liston.