Greatest HWs of the decades ?

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who were the greatest HWs of the past century or so, decade by decade ?

    In each decade, consider only the achievements of that decade.

    To start things off:

    10s Johnson
    20s Dempsey
    30s Louis
    40s Louis
    50s Marciano
    60s Clay/Ali
    70s Ali
    80s Holmes
    90s Lewis
    00s W.Klitschko

    This leaves Frazier, Foreman, Tyson and possibly Holyfield and other ATGs without a 'natural' decade of dominance.

    In addition, vote in the poll as to which decade had the best overall level of competition in the HW division.
     
  2. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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    Holmes and Tyson are split in the 80s. Holmes had 80-85 while Tyson ruled from 85-90. I think it's 50/50 for them, or you could just say it was Mike Tyson because he was so sensational at the time. He even unified the belts--something Larry Holmes didn't do.
    And he did something else Larry couldn't do...he beat Michael Spinks.
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Many (most ?) believe that a 36 year old Holmes won the second Spinks bout.

    You could make a case for splitting the 80s, but I think Holmes takes it on overall competition and time at the top.



    ( Holmes was the man for 69 months and made 15 successful title defences.

    Tyson was the man for 37 months and made 9 successful title defences.)
     
  4. D.T

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    It's between the 70s/80s/90s.
     
  5. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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    He definitely won that fight. I agree. Holmes had a longer reign than Tyson, but Tyson's was more memorable and had greater impact.
     
  6. easyLivin'

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    80s - hard to tell. Holmes or Tyson. I would mention both of them.
    I agree with all the rest although it's a pitty that we can't mention such great fighters like Foreman, Frazier or Holyfield in such ranking. It just confirms that 70s and 90s were two greatest decades for heavyweight division.
     
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    Holmes - Spinks II was a robbery. Holmes clearly beat Spinks.
     
  8. bodhi

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    John L. Sullivan
    James J. Jeffries
    Jack Johnson
    Joe Louis
    Rocky Marciano
    Muhammad Ali
    Larry Holmes
    Mike Tyson
    Lennox Lewis
    Wladimir Klitschko

    Those ten are the champs that proved themselves to be the best of their era and were strong champs IMO. The others either didn´t prove themselves to be the best of their era or weren´t strong champs.

    I expect some critic for Jeffries, Johnson and Wlad though.
     
  9. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I pretty much agree with your list. For the 00s,I'd say that Vitali K draws with his brother for the honour.
     
  10. Stevie G

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    With Michael Spinks,though Holmes was very much passed his prime,while Tyson was at the very best we ever saw him. All about styles though,because even a prime Holmes would n't have kniocked Spinks out as quickly as Tyson did.
     
  11. Stevie G

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    They did very well though. I'd rate Holyfield the second best fighter of the 90's,while Foreman and Frazier are second and third in the 70's,imo.
     
  12. D.T

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    70s to 90s - best Heavyweight era

    Ali
    Foreman
    Frazier
    Patterson
    Holyfield
    Lewis
    Bowe
    Tyson
    Holmes
    Mercer
    Quarry
    Ellis
    Young
    80s babies (Dokes, Thomas, Witherpoon, Page, Berbick, Weaver, Williams, Smith, Cobb etc)
    Bonavena
    Chuvalo
    Tua
    Ruddock
    Spinks
    Rahman
    Shavers
    Lyle
    Norton
    McCall
    B Foster
    M Foster
    Moorer
    Cooney
    etc
     
  13. janitor

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    Based on body of work in that decade:

    1880s-Sullivan
    1890s-no clear candidate, Jackson, Corbett and Fitzsimmons are in contention.
    1900s-Jeffries
    1910s-Langford
    1920s-Dempsey
    1930-Louis
    1940s-Louis
    1950s-Marciano
    1960s-Ali
    1970s-Ali
    1980s-Tyson (tough call)
    1990s-Holyfield
    2000s-Lewis
    2010s-Wlad (so far)

    Obviously some top fighters lost out because their body of work stradled two decades e.g. Jack Johnson.
     
  14. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have some difficulty with Langford over Johnson at HW between 1910 and 1919.

    And Lewis, while obviously better overall, would be questionable over Wlad in the 2000-2009 time frame.


    Which decade had the toughest level of competition ?
     
  15. Twelve

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    Jeffries and Johnson shouldn't be in the same battle for supremacy of the 1900's the same way Holmes and Tyson are in for the 1980's. Johnson went 49-4-9 with 5 NC's. He only suffered 4 defeats during this period: one from an experienced, heavy hitter Choynski in only his 10th professional fight, Hank Griffin from when he was still a rookie, a highly controversial (and by all accounts racially biased) decision loss to future HW champ Marvin Hart, and a DQ loss to his nemesis Jeanette. The major pelts he collected during this time were George Gardner, Ed Martin (x2), Sandy Ferguson (x4), Sam McVey (x3), Sam Langford (weight advantage), Tommy Burns, Stanley Ketchel (weight advantage), and Joe Jeanette (x3). That's a very formidable list, especially compared to Jeffries's who's only big wins in the 1900's came from Corbett (x2), Gus Ruhlin, and Fitz.

    Johnson had the HW division on lock during both the 1900's and the 1910's.