Greatest Light Heavyweight (175lbs) of all time (based on achievements NOT H2H)

In fights contested at LHW, allowing a few lbs for slightly over the weight non title contests, Charles went 27-2-1

His two losses were both aged 21, when the physically immature Charles was within the modern day SMW limit, vs Bivins and Marshall, and were both avenged at the weight.

In addition to Marshall x 2 and Bivins x 1, Charles beat Moore x 3, Oakland Billy Smith x 2, Teddy Yarsoz and Anton Christorforidis.

Moore and Greb have deeper win resumes at the fight, but of Charles 3 wins over Moore, 1 was a KO, whilst another was a 10-round to 0 shut out.

Charles is clearly the greatest LHW of all time based on fights contested at LHW, imo. Greb is my #2, his resume their is absurd.

 

The Bivins wins weren't at LHW.

 

You rank Moore above Charles, even though Charles beat a prime Moore 3 out of 3, including by KO and 10-0 shut out, just because Moore got a title shot and Charles didn't? No disrespect intended, but that seems crazy to me.

Who do you rank higher at HW, Wills, Langford or Leon Spinks?

At MW Paul Pender, Charley Burley or Holman Williams?

 

The Bivins losses were not avenged at LHW.

Charles is not clearly the greatest LHW of all time. The fact people consider him top 5 is out of pocket. Greb actually won a belt.

 

The third win basically was. Both were above the limit by only 1-3 lbs, which was a custom of the time when fighters weren't fighting in title matches. Robinson did it with Gavilan, at the top of my head.

 

As I said, allowing for a few lbs for slightly over the weight non title fights.

I started my all time rankings at Flyweight and worked my up. In each case I assigned all fights to one weight division and one weight division only. E.g., 2 x MWs weighing 162lbs in a non title contests seemed better attributed to their MW resumes than LHW.

For LHW, I considered any fight contested at 179lbs and under as a LHW contest. Charles beat a 178lbs Bivins whilst weighing 176lbs. I attributed this win to his LHW, not his HW resume. He also beat Bivins multiple times whilst Bivins weighed over 180lbs and I attributes those wins to Ezzard's HW resume.

 

Who do you rank higher, Ken Norton or Leon Spinks?

 

Your criteria is your own, and whilst it seems crazy to me, I can't tell you it's wrong. Only that it's in a significant minority -

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When he was in the duration title tournament he got beaten badly by Charles. He then gotten badly by Marshall. Another thing is there were 4 LHW champs in 1943 Lesnevich, Mills, Bivins and then Marshall. If he'd beaten Marshall he would have been Bivins replacement instead when Bivins went up to HW. So that was basically an eliminator.

Langford won titles outside of the colored belt. He won belts 1909 and 1913 from organizations that later became part of the WBC. He just didn't get a crack at the lineal HW title. Which virtually no one did there were only 7 lineal HW title fights in the 1910s.

 

Then by all means, what's your argument for Beterbiev being greater at the weight?