Greatest Middleweight

Just make it 6 and put Stanley Ketchel in there, and sort out the order of them later!!! Or never, its too hard!!!!! Haha, possibly the closest and hardest top 5 to rank in order imo. I'll give it a go though -

1. Greb
2. Robinson - sorry everyone!! My choice!
3. Hagler
4. Monzon
5. Hopkins (Ketchel??)

This list could change in the next 5minutes, like i said, maybe the hardest divisional top 5 to arrange in order!

 

To be honest i think only monzon stands out clear from the rest as obvious number one. Hagler for accomplishment and style is high as well. Nard is a great beater of second class or smaller fighters,and one who could at least hold his own (but lose as well.) to many great middles.
Guys like greb,ketchel,fitzimmons and such like are very hard to rate because of lack of film and very different eras.
Robinson was great but i think a tad overrated at 160.
I know it sounds weird,but 160 is not as rich as we think it is.

 

The reason i rate Robinson as a great ACHIEVER at 160 , is because the man was way past his best, and emerged as the best in a tru golden era of the MW division, amazin' imo.

B-Hop totaly dominated his era though after Jones, and i thought he won the first against Taylor, who was an astonishin' talent, but wound up lacking hart . B-Hop beat all the guys who deserved title shots at the time, Joppy, Eastman, you have to beat your deserving number 1 contenders (which is why i hate Ricky Hatton!!!), and B-Hop did. I still rate the Trinidad fight as a great 1, as he was coming off a destruction of a world title contender at 160 in Joppy, that makes him a viable and good win at the weight imo.

Greb sounds just amazin' and is a contender for top spot imo.

 

Hopkins fought pretty weak opponents at 160.
Robinson beat some good guys while past his prime,but also lost a lot,but i agree,he achieved a lot at 160 given his circumstances.
Monzon,stands out like a sore thumb,being undefeated as champ,beating all the contendors,winning every fight clearly and fighting some excellent middles.
I think greb is hard to rank for obvious reasons.

 

Carlos Monzon comes first, with Robinson and Hagler following him at 2 and 3 respectively. Monzon would have beaten both of them, probably by a decsion over 15 rounds.

 

1. Harry Greb
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Charley Burley
6. Mickey Walker
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Holman Williams
9. Dick Tiger
10. Tiger Flowers

I used to have LaMotta at 10 but changed him for Flowers; I should probably have Ketchel in there but have yet to decide where I would place him. Greb has the best resume at this weight by a fair margin he fought everyone incredible to think he fought so many great fighters.

 

Robinson emerged as number 1 in a golden era, dont downplay it!! And Hopkins dealt with his lesser oponents, and everyone else, as any elite fighter would do.

 

How was robbies era golden? Carmen basilio,gene fullmer and turpin? He also lost regularly to those guys as well.
And hopkins never beat a great middle,his best win is prob a one dimensional small tito who had one good win at middle and nothing else.

 

Gene Fulmer, Turpin, Lamotta, Basilio (still good win despite weight), Olson, i cant speak 2 u if you dont think this is tru of it bein' a golden era, im on my way out now, i'll return though

 

Look,im not saying robbie wasnt a great middle,or that his opposition was very weak,but to say it was 'golden' i think is misleading.
Golden to me is like the late seventies/early eighties welter scence with leonard,benitez,duran,hearns and palamino...
Remember also,robbie lost FIVE times for the middle crown,is that dominant?

 

I do class him as the guy who emerged as the best fighter of the best era that the middleweight division has had. Late 70's and 80's welterweights was a bit special and thats setting the standard a bit high! (jokin'!!) they were all elite fighters! But Robinson was past his best (by far) and losing to and then beating some of the toughest MWs ever, Turpin is well underrated, and Fulmer is a great win, the manner of that wiin is top-notch.

I do class it as MWs golden era.

I get what your'e saying about him losin' the title as many times as he won it, but the circumstances he was in make it great imo.

 

1. Carlos Monzon
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Mickey Walker
5. Harry Greb
6. Charley Burley
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Dick Tiger
9. Jake LaMotta
10. Lloyd Marshall

 

Hagler is the greatest middleweight of all time. So far and above all other middleweights that there is no second.

 

Freddie Steele at least deserves a mention.

Fulmer, honorable mention, maybe?