Greatest p4p fighters of the last 20 years, revised!

I think Toney's overrated, but he should be in the top 20 no doubt.

 

Well I think he's underrated and while I'm not a big fan, I have to stick up for somebody getting heavily underrated, his resume is FANTASTIC, look at all of the elite fighters he fought in his career, he has losses yes, and Mayweather has 1 loss IMO, to Castillo, but Mayweather's also never fought an elite fighter, big difference.

I'd go as far as saying that Toney's competition is the stiffest of the lot, including Whitaker's absurdly difficult comp. Whitaker obviously ranks 1 or 2 however because of how many he outclassed.....

You know?

I'm just asking for Toney to be top 10 and for Joy Boy to be up for review here, no bias, as I contest that my favourite Calzaghe does not deserve to be that high just yet.

 

If the ranking is based primarily on head to head ability, I would rank Juan Manuel above Rafael without hesitation. Just a more complete fighter with more tools at his disposal.

But if we're going mostly on accomplishments, I think there's a case to be made for Rafael. His top wins over Vazquez, Johnson, Austin, and Mabuza are probably better than Barrera, Juarez, Gainer, and Peden. Plus one could make a case for his reign at bantamweight being more dominant than his brother's reign at featherweight.

I'm saying this though as somebody who ranks Juan Manuel higher in accomplishments since he's never really been dominated or stopped, has unified a division, and should have two wins against Manny Pacquiao who's better than anybody on Rafael's resume.

 

Brooklyn, back me up my friend, Joy Boy over Toney, DLH and others?

No way in hell, fight an elite fighter ****bag.:yep

 

What do you make of Toney's inconsistency and gift decisions against low level bums like Dave Tiberi, losses to Drake Thadzi, etc? His boxing ability, while very good, is a tad overrated too I believe, though he had some great performances.

I believe people rate him so highly because of his jump in weight classes, not because of any type of consistency or dominance at any weight past 168(where he still managed to get schooled badly by the best man he fought). And as an analyst like yourself knows, the Heavyweights he fought were not exactly great in terms of top class Heavyweight ability. Ruiz, shot Holyfield, Rahman, Peter(the best of the bunch, though he got smoked in the rematch), etc.

 

For those calling for Mosley over Mayweather, realize that Mosley hasn't BEATEN better comp than Mayweather. He may have fought better competition, but he lost to nearly all the great fighters he fought.

 

How do you think Mayweather does against Mosely's comp?

And also, 2 wins over DLH, one peak where he was arguably undefeated as a natural LW, then of course nearly taking Winky to Draw in the rematch is arguably better than anything Floyd's ever done.

Floyd has no wins over elite's, just more wins over good fighters in abundance, depends on how you want to rate that.

Can't see Floyd defeating a prime DLH at any weight, Forrest, Wright and Cotto now, Mosely was past his best when he nearly got a win over Cotto.

Mosely's lost to 3 fighters - Forrest, Wright and Cotto, 3 elite fighters, two who had tremendous style advantages over him at that. Two were 2 divisions up from his natural weight and 1 was 3 divisions up.

 

Moving onto DLH...

YEAH, he has losses, but look who he fought and look who Floyd fought. Floyd's fought about half that competition level at best and has an unofficial loss to Castillo, a non-elite. DLH's losses came at Welter or above and all vs. top elite fighters at that, and he was competitive against all of them, including a little bit with Hopkins....

No ****ing way does Floyd compete with that kind of performance level or resume. **** struggles twice with Castillo 1 division up, DLH fights and TKO's a superior fighter P4P to Castillo in Vargas 3 divisions up from his best weight, by comparison. That's just 1 example there Fedor EM.

 

I'll do my best to help you out with this one. Gonna be tough though.

I rank Toney and De La Hoya higher than Mayweather currently. I realize Floyd has gone undefeated through 5 different weight classes, but he's never beaten an elite fighter. He has a bunch of wins over very good fighters and I suppose you could rank him higher because of that.

Toney has Nunn, McCallum x 2, Jirov, Holyfield, Barkley, Williams, and Johnson. Was competitive with heavyweights and should have a win a piece over Ruiz and Peter.

De La Hoya has Whitaker, Chavez x 2, Quartey, Vargas, Hernandez, etc. Should have wins over Trinidad and Mosley at 154. Was competitive against Hopkins.

I think those victories are better than De La Hoya, Castillo, Corrales, Hatton, Hernandez, and Judah.

Say what you want about the Whitaker win being controversial, but even that version of Whitaker was better than Castillo, who Floyd struggled massively with. Floyd's stylistic advantage should have allowed him to pepper Castillo and dominate him.

 

Corrales was elite at the time Mayweather beat him. Castillo would be termed elite now, considering that he has wins over both the current LW champions. Hatton was considered elite until Mayweather was about to fight him, then suddenly he wasn't. In context of WHEN he fought them, they were the best fighters in his division, besides Hatton. Hindsight can change alot. And I feel that isn't fair or even consistant.

Mayweather would probably have some losses against Mosley's competition. But you can't base a list on that.

 

I think Hopkins picks Ruiz as the best p4p after last night.

 

He only had one gift decision to a low level fighter, which I'll admit is bad enough, but he's fought and beaten so much great competition that it still elevates him very high on any list. I think you were the one who said that.. depending on what style he fought he could look brilliant one night and **** on another night.